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Super funny; love it. :)
This is one of your greatest cartoons ever! It really shows what I heard one person saying on TV, a few years ago: "Corporations are capitalist when others are concerned, and they are socialist when THEY are concerned!" I cannot agree more with this sentence, with the present situation. P.S.: Can you explain why the State is so generous with bankers and so cheap with automakers? Both need the same punishment!
Don't trouble yourself with a complicated Socialist revolution!
What a roar!
This is so cool. Congrats for creating it.
As a blogger I'm going to provide instructions for imbedded vids. so the original creator gets some type of credit. Long story short, if you click on an imbedded youtube vid it takes you to the youtube page instead of playing the vid on the blog, where of course you can get more info on the video if interested.
OK Clap On! I mean off...! oh C**p my market timing always was off.
Wait wait... I couldn't hear it.
Did he say "Clapper" or "Crapper"????
I am So Compfused
I'm confused about where the embed option is at. I've tried loading this in IE and firefox. I've tried it logged in and logged out. Am I missing something?
Only select cartoons have the embed link, (like "State-Run Sacrament" for example). The embed saga continues, my apologies. I had been using brightcove.com for the embeds but they are eliminating that service-- I'll set up a simple youtube-style embed to replace it.
Thanks, and stay tuned . . .
Ha ha! Nice parody of state capitalism. But you shouldn't have conflated free market with state capitalism. I know, the state capitalists use the term free market to their advantage, but the term really belongs to the market anarchists, who believe in a stateless society with real free markets.
Amazing how many comments there are here from myopic, reality-denying fools who refuse to see that there is no "business" involved in this crisis or the bailout that isn't a rent-seeking parasite regulated (which also means "subsidized" - it's two sides of one coin) by the government. That has nothing at all to do with a "free market" (a term brutally abused by pols and other fraudsters of all stripes), in fact, such a market is the antithesis of this situation. Yeah, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac certainly are free-market institutions (created by that free market icon, Franklin the Red Roosevelt - duh!) Government (left, right, center, or none-of-the-above) is always based on fear, and is nothing other than a mechanism to keep the non-elite from rising to elite status by their own merit; all its other attributes constitute nothing more than a dog-and-pony show distraction. Unfortunately, that distraction strategy works to a fare-the-well on the kind of obtuse sheep who have posted here.
"Government requires coercion. Coercion is evil. It really is exacly that simple"
Yeah, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac certainly are free-market institutions (created by that free market icon, Franklin the Red Roosevelt - duh!)
Fannie Mae worked perfectly as a government entity from the 1930's until it was spun off as private company in 1968. They should have left it as part of the government.
Freddie Mac was created in 1970, so unless Roosevelt had a time machine, that was none of his doing.
Like most rightwingers and "libertarians", you're spectacularly ill-informed.
This makes eminent sense.
This makes absolutely no sense.
this is the most brilliant one ever! i love all of your stuff tho
A genuine free market will never succeed because by necessity it will always be run by people and there will always be people who will tend to rig it to their benefit at the expense of others, even if it means offering tainted food which stays profitable for the company despite being responsible for thousands of deaths because cutthroat tactics have eliminated competition and feeds corruption which prevents the government from taking any action against it. This isn't speculation, this is our, United States, history! Yes, left to its own devices, the high and mighty free market murders people and causes impoverishment until it is finally regulated and brought to heel. But,of course, by necessity, it has to be regulated by people, who are prone to imperfection. There are no angels, no god to help us out of this situation. We just have to deal with it the best we can and recognize there is no perfect solution, but that letting the market take care of itself is no solution at all.
"A genuine free market will never succeed because by necessity it will always be run by people"
If it is being run by people, it isn't a free market, which is the voluntary exchange between people.
"there will always be people who will tend to rig it to their benefit at the expense of others"
If it is "rigged" it isn't a free market.
"even if it means offering tainted food which stays profitable for the company despite being responsible for thousands of deaths because cutthroat tactics have eliminated competition and feeds corruption"
You must be talking about communist China, where there were many deaths from a state policy which adulterated milk.
'Cutthroat tactics' is used by people who don't like the pressure of competition which increases quality and lowers prices.
Geesh. Talk about twisting the facts fit the argument.
The problem in China was capitalists, to make more profit on thinned out milk, added additives to the formula mix to falsely boost the protein content making the milk thicker and seemingly better quality when it was really thinned down to increase profits.
Too bad the additives were actually... toxic.
A perfect example of the free market at work. Free to make profits at all costs.
Another example of the free market at work: The Somali pirates.
If you want to show that a state run capitalist economy can have undesirable outcomes, you have succeeded. But no one ever claimed otherwise. We all know that any type of economic system can have undesirable outcomes. The worst cases just happen to be less bad in economies which more closely resemble free market capitalism.
No. The root evil in China is the suppression of free speech and a corrupt legal system where crimes like these are not punished enough. This causes the rogue "capitalists" to perceive that the costs of criminal product adulteration to be very small compared to the illegal profits gained. A market cannot be truly free without a free society and a fair legal system. I came from China and I know this country and US like the two sides of my hand. China with its many invasions by foreign powers in the last 2000 years and many internal suppressions in the last 100 years, those who will stand up to tyranny have all been killed/murdered, the ones left alive are mostly spineless people who are too timid for a revolution (or their descendants). The hope is with the new generation, these youngsters now see what the free world is alike and they are much more informed through the Net. It's hard to mind-control them. To help China the West should trade more and open more to it.
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I would donate my entire tinfoil collection, if I had one, to seeing this on the TV! Another great one, Mr. Fiore.
Nothing to say but Wow, Mark that was amazing. Sending it to my friends on all sides.
You hit the bulls-eye! I think this style capitalistic socialism works with big business, Congress, The Fed, the White House and to heck with the ordinary American who can't afford to be a "player" and must suffer the consequences of greed and deregulation. In the movie, Wall Street, "Greed is good." Clap-on, Clap-off and screw the rest of us.
no one bailed me out when my independent bookstore went out of business, mostly because of Borders, Barnes and Noble, and Amazon.com Seems they got deals that we didn't
To the person whose bookstore went bankrupt: The Big Box Bookstores rip off writers, too! In Canada, it's Chapters-Indigo-Coles that are the main culprits. They are on authors' bad books, so to speak;) What some small bookstores are doing here is making special deals with frequent customers and private deals with authors who are self-publishing. It's the only way around the corporate skanks!
SPOT-ON!! Absolutely awesome!
Yeah,it's not the capitalism that I grew up with and learned about when I was in school.The way it was was you had an idea or a product.You put your money in and made money if it was good enough.YOUR profits paid you and some went back into the company and you kept on going until you screwed up or the product was no longer needed or some on else had a better idea.Then you sold or lost your business and maybe started over.Now you have the government bail you out or you have sneaky interest cost,or mitigation clauses that almost always mysteriously resolve in your favor(85%),or you buy a congressman and the law gets changed from protecting buyers to protecting you.Ahhhh yes,Capitalsocialismoligarchyism,that's a beautifully complicated system that is simply solves with the clap on.Ed P.
"Capitalsocialismoligarchyism"--yes, that's a good word, if a bit unwieldy. Seems to me--and it ought to be evident to anybody who's been paying attention in the last decade (really much longer)--that we're now very close to a modern variation of outright feudalism, with mammoth corporations in place of the feudal lords and us poor ordinary schlubs as the feudal serfs. It's not good.
...we're now very close to a modern variation of outright feudalism, with mammoth corporations in place of the feudal lords and us poor ordinary schlubs as the feudal serfs.
Yep. I've been saying for years that the montary elite (aka "The Parasite Class") are recreating the feudal system on a global scale. It's why both political 'sides' have participated in destroying the US Constitution that has stood as a bulwark against such tyranny all these years.
oh geezzz i never thought of it that way......... suddenly I feel very woried my ancestors didn't flee europe just to be caught in that trap again!
It is sad that you are so intelligent and so dumb at the same time. The free market did not create this situation. The bureaucrats that you love so much put this all together. You, the smart/dummie put the blame on the people who had a legitimate answer, but had their answer mis-translated by just another bunch of dummies. The free market didn't create this fiasco. That was impossible because we haven't had a free market in a very long time. This fiasco was created by statist lunatics who have no clue about what they want to do. If you were at all tuned into human nature, you.. well why do I bother? You do what you do because it pays the bills. Being a whore is not so bad when you think about it. You have a pretty good sense of humor but you seem to check your honesty and intellect at the door before you go to work.
So Anonymous what your saying is that that "the people who had a legitimate answer, but had their answer mis-translated by just another bunch of dummies". What exactly are you talking about? That the free market system should of auto regulated it self to prevent this mess. That the method of a free market system would of worked if followed exactly?
Heck, by that reasoning communism sounds great. Everyone with a job, home, and equal status. Sign me up!
The biggest problem with a free market or any other system is that it's ran by people.
What I've always seen is that the more money and wealth people acquire, the more they want AND screw everyone else.
THAT'S the American dream.
Look at how even after their corporations were going down the tubes these CEO's they still set aside and paid them selves millions in bonuses.
You can blame the people apart from the method all you want but as long as people are making the decisions for there own benefit there will always be someone suffering for their gains.
Just don't get all bunched up when someone points out the hypocrisy of their ways.
Great toon Mark.
Just wish it could get some TV time.
There's never been a "free" market, but not in the way "anonymous" thinks. It's been a free-for-all market all along. A free-for-all benefitting super rich psychopaths. Pure capitalism and insane competition leads to just one winner in the end: one psychopath who will own the world.
But it won't do him any good, for there will be nothing left by then. Monsanto's terminator seeds will lead to starvation when some disease destroys the only crops Monsanto makes. Diversity is there for a reason, but Monsanto was never resonable. Just greedy and myopic.
Why is it that 60% of the population is always looking for a corporate saviour, a king, to tell 'em what to do and how they should live?
Around 15% of the population is certifiably nuts -- including, likely, the one who would be King of the World.
Alas, the remaining group can think for themselves and can consider others, the future, etc. Alas, this cerebral group is continually being sandbagged and sabotaged by the mentally lazy 60%. Guess in which group anonymous belongs.
Since you seem to have all the answers, and somehow we are still in this mess, the logical conclusion is that you are to blame. Why didn't you jump in and help us avert the problem? Perhaps you could put your brilliance to work solving the problem as opposed to utterly wasting it lecturing cartoonists. Please, enlighten us - why DO you bother?
On the other hand, maybe you're a nobody with zero qualifications.
Great work!! First really clever way I've seen this debacle depicted.
Excellent piece Mark!
Some of your best work.
Truly a perfect bit of satire. Nothing to be added; nothing to be taken away, and certainly something that all Americans should see to get a proper perspective on the matter.
I stand impressed, sir.
Yeah, it's shows the greed and absurdity of corporate American. When things are going great were all for Adam Smith and when they mess everything up there all for Karl Marx.
Anyway, that 100 Bill that we gave the banking industry had no strings attatched or oversight and it didn't end the credit freeze. Bush's criminal incompetence and shameless pandering to corporate American is becoming a predictable pattern. Bush and Obama can't agree on the basics of what a bailout would entail.
Anyway, waiting for Jan. 20th.
Mark, while you always do brilliant work, this one was awesome. Thanks for everything you do. You, like...SO ROCK!
Clever, truthful and to the point.
Spread the wealth around, indeed. Man, you hit more nails than my dad ever did, and he was a licensed contractor!
IMO, the fed bailout will make as much noise as one hand clapping.... followed by the sound of crashing...
We will have to wait and see how black black friday is... if no one shows up and spends more money (they do not have),... well, you fill in the blanks.
Clap On! I just posted the new animation, let me know what you think.
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