You people need to get your priorities straight or maybe your heads examined.
The are count less millions of living breathing human beings suffering all over the world cause of war, feminine disease and oppression ; all the while you guys spend
you time championing/funding animal rights.
Heck in some countries animal rights organisations get more public funding than the ones that champion the safety and security of our children…I mean c’mon that just sick and twisted on so many fucking levels.
The basic long and short of this discussion is that no animal wants to be killed. All animals (most humans included) want to live. Just because they may have a blue sky to look at once a day, or are able to stand in real grass (which I can assure you, is not the norm), it doesn't mean that they are skipping and carrying their happy, smiling faces right up to the dude that clocks them in the head with a hammer to stun them before slowly and painfully killing them. They don't want to die. Stop eating them. Just stop it.
Haven't you ever wondered why Americans typically only eat cows, pigs, chickens, and fish? It's because those animals don't have the teeth or claws to fight back. We are actually killing living beings that want to live and nurture their young so that we can eat their corspes. Now THAT is sick and twisted. Please think about it.
Having badly treated animals can lead to other problems which can cause human suffering, such as factory farm pollution and unsafe food sources.
A lot of people who are animal rights advocates are also anti-war and for helping suffering human beings. It's not necessarily just only for animals or only for humans.
Which organizations are you referring to by "the ones that champion the safety and security of our children"?
The cartoon is very good. It's amazing that so few people know about factory farming and the realities of slaughterhouses. Kids actually still play with toy farms, read "Old McDonald's", and believe it.
About the horses, maybe people need to follow more responsible breeding (which to me equals very restricted breeding) and ownership standards, rather than relying on auctions and slaughter houses as a dumping grounds. Lets stop the practice of incentive funds for breeding!
And as far as organic meat--think again. Organic meat is usually full of worms and parasites, I know this first hand. We rescue animals that were raised organically and trust me, they are FULL of disease. And all meat animals are subjected to slaughter house atrocities, please read "Slaughterhouse" if you don't belive me. When you eat this meat, your body absorbs all of the negative energy fileds of the animal that suffered for your fork.
If only this was fiction! My family and I are vegan and our empathy for the Doreens of this world is one of the reasons we choose this healthy way of life. I hope kids everywhere get to see this really great cartoon, it shows just how cold blooded,dirty and inhumane this whole industry is.
All I can do is laugh. There are so many ignorant and inaccurate statements in the cartoon and in these posts, that there is little to no credibility in what is here. I defend anyones right to a vegan lifestyle, and I do understand the health benefits that one can realize. That does not justify making innaccurate accusations against those that raise our food. Thanks to advances made in food production, we have reduced everyone's food costs and significantly reduced or eliminated starvation in many parts of the world. Eating meat is a choice one can make in a free country, and the meat supply in the US is both delicious and safe.
Comments like the "all I can do is laugh..." make me worry that our animals will never again see blue skies and roam in fields. Does this person honestly think that cartoon has misrepresentations? Who wrote that?
You probably work on a free range meat producer then. The majority of the places that we get meat from are not free range and are almost exactly like what is shown in this video.
I work with family farmers that raise cattle conventionally.
The cattle have plenty of room, good food and water. The more comfortable cattle are, the better they grow, so that is a priority.
What you know is what other people have told you.
What I know is what I see with my own eyes every day.
There are no cattle fed "almost exactly like what is shown in this video" that I know of, and I have visited cattle feeding places in 20 different states. The video takes small snippets of truth (which are usually in violation of the law) and projects them as fact for all fed cattle.
If you have an personal ethic that prevents you from eating meat, that is your right and I support it. But please don't use lies to promote your position.
How many of these places have you visited personally?
Don't blindly take the words of those that want to destroy livestock production at any cost (including the cost of ignoring the truth).
I will not lie to you. There are places out there that have no regard for animal comfort or public safety. But the FACT is they are very few and far between, and they are hated by those that raise cattle responsibly.
I give up. I clearly cannot convince you of the fact that this stuff happens almost every day. I'm not sure what meat packing places you say you work at, but they sound a lot better than MANY that exist.
Poorly Supported Argument...
Hi there. I cannot help but weigh in here a bit. I read this whole blog and I must say you did not really make much of an argument. Most of the literature I have read on this topic supports the idea that cattle are mistreated and the slaughter houses are atrocious. The work of Eric Slossenger (I apologize, I know I am spelling his name wrong) would be my main reference, but I have not personally visited any farms and seen with my own eyes how they are raised. I have friends from Texas who lived on and around farms and they have a tendency to not see the meat industry the way city folk do. If you really think you are in the right perhaps you can support your argument with examples and specifics to match the other fellows argument. He (or she) did a good job of explaining why he feels the way he does and the breadth of his experience.
"...
Cattle pens stretch to the horizon, each one home to 150 animals standing dully or lying around in a grayish mud that it eventually dawns on you isn't mud at all. The pens line a network of unpaved roads that loop around vast waste lagoons on their way to the feedlot's beating heart: a chugging, silvery feed mill that soars like an industrial cathedral over this teeming metropolis of meat...
What gets a beef calf from 80 to 1,200 pounds in 14 months are enormous quantities of corn, protein supplements -- and drugs, including growth hormones...
On many ranches, weaned calves go directly from the pasture to the sale barn, where they're sold at auction, by the pound, to feedlots...
F.D.A. rules still permit feedlots to feed nonruminant animal protein to cows. (Feather meal is an accepted cattle feed, as are pig and fish protein and chicken manure...
Cows rarely live on feedlot diets for more than six months, which might be about as much as their digestive systems can tolerate...
What keeps a feedlot animal healthy -- or healthy enough -- are antibiotics...
The F.D.A. is opening an inquiry into the problem, but for now, implanting hormones in beef cattle is legal and financially irresistible: an implant costs $1.50 and adds between 40 and 50 pounds to the weight of a steer at slaughter, for a return of at least $25...
According to Cattle-Fax, a market-research firm, the return on an animal coming out of a feedlot has averaged just $3 per head over the last 20 years..."
"She's a cow! not a hippie!" awesome comment, and I agree with some of the above posters, this is definitely one of Mark's best pieces ever, it gets to the point very directly. This and a myriad of other fine pieces will educate people to what so much of today's beef supply can be like.
p.s I don't eat much meat or drink much milk myself. I still like cheese, however found a local source that is free-range and organic.
I've been a vegetarian for four years and couldn't have made a more important or better decision! It has improved my health, introduced me to new tasty foods I wold have never tried before, and that makes me feel better about myself. I also stopped drinking milk and have recently been trying to drastically reduce my dairy intake so soon I can be completely vegan. I can't even imagine going back to meat and milk! Go Veg!
I'm not a vegan or a vegetarian but I am considering becoming one.
A plant based diet is healthier. You never hear about meat curing or treating any illness but you always hear about the healing nutrients found in fruits and veggies.
I do consume mostly organic and natural food. I never ate pork and I am gradually getting away from beef. If I do eat beef or any meat for that matter I have to buy it myself. It has to be organic or as natural as possible.
The crap that they put in our food today should be a crime. Americans are the most obese people on the planet and degenerative diseases in this country are sky-rocketing even among young people.
We need to wake up and really pay attention to what we are eating.
If you are what you eat then people who eat beef are walking chemical time bombs.
I bet vegans and vegetarians have lower rates of heart disease and colon cancer. It's a fact that processed meats like bacon, sausasge, and hot dogs cause cancer due to the sodium nitrate that is added.
I still say a plant based diet is healthier. There are too many issues and risks associated with eating meat.
eating beef isn't only kinda disgusting when you think about the cow. It's also a bit of a waste. ONE cow in it's life (before it's slaughtered that is) eats A LOT of grain. (not that it's necessarily built to) The grain that it eats could feed LOTS AND LOTS of people. Once the cow is slaughtered, it's meat won't feed nearly as many people. This is why it's a waste.
The grain the cow eats is in a way transfered into beef. Say the cow eats 500 pounds of grain in its life. It might not even produce half that much. The grain could have fed LOTS OF PEOPLE. The cow can't.
I also am a very healthy Vegan. Just like cows I get my prtien and million of other nutrients direct from the source. Sunshine, fresh air, water, exersize, and all the fruits, nuts, seeds, herbs, veges and green leafs and grasses the are provided in abundance. Protien is made up of 9 essential acids. Animal protien must be broken down to the raw acids and then absorbed which is taxing on the body.
A cow has 4 stomachs you might say but I have a vita-mix blender and i make yummy green smooties from all sorts of green leaves.
40% green leaves and 60% fruits make em yummy and so energizing.
Just add water to desired consistency.
The highest source of protien can be found in hemp leaf. One of the most diverse plants on the planet.
Try edible weeds such as dandelion, fat hen, dock and clover.
Let the lawns grow and heal the body. soil and enviroment
I truely believe that we are always evolving forward and slaughtering animals for food is only for the ones who are to lazy to do thier universal duty to tend to the soil.
Get to know some ranchers. Help them butcher so you know its done right. Go in with a few friends and buy an elk (excellent!). Find a Hutterite colony and get some eggs and chickens. Shop the local farmers markets. Do everything possible to support the family farm and farm coops- ITS MORE THAN JUST PRESERVING A WAY OF LIFE
Once again you shine light on an ugly truth that noone else seems to have the nerve to bring up. Then you show how issues are interrelated through reappearances of your iconic characters.
Doreen should take her show on the road to talk about the similarities with slaughterhouses and public schools. Too many "cattle" in too close of quarters, forced immunization degenerating the health of the cattle, not to mention the connecting tissue of recalled bad meat that just happened to be sent mainly to institutions (public schools) and fast food.
Looking forward to the sequel. We love you Doreen! You rock Mark!
great cartoon, mark. the satire is spot-on. poor kids, poor cows. i only wish there'd been mention that doreen is a milk cow who's been systematically raped and separated from her calves throughout her 5 short years of life. maybe the sequel can follow her son dylan and show us how to make veal.
i'm pale because my ancestors are scottish, not because i'm vegan. peace out!
in regards to your "the cows are raped" comment. The bulls don't even see the female cows anymore instead the sperm is "collected" (and trust me it's not fun for the bull just painfull) and injected into the female.
While that is true in a lot of cases (more common for dairy cattle or for breeding bulls for sire) Most cows are still bred the old fashioned way with the bulls in the pasture with the cow. And if you have ever witnessed the act, it is not pleasant for the cow, and really doesn't look pleasant for the bull.
And in the case of artificial insemination.... The vet inserts his whole arm in the cows vagina. Tell me that isn't rape.
I think you should have slow motioned the offal (dead, diseased animal parts used to "enhance" chicken and cattle feed. If you are what you eat, then it's disgusting to think about what industry feeds and injects into their animals! I wonder what it's doing to our kids! I'm sure we all have some ideas on that one....
Hey, I have often thought about the waste of the fetuses of so many pregnant animals brought to slaughter. Well, it's not really a waste, they use them in medical schools. I wish the growers wouldn't slaughter the pregnant ones though.
I personally eat organic meats. I think it's a healthy thing to do, but if you can be vegetarian or vegan, more power to you.
"Hey, I have often thought about the waste of the fetuses of so many pregnant animals brought to slaughter. Well, it's not really a waste, they use them in medical schools. I wish the growers wouldn't slaughter the pregnant ones though."
That's a sweet thought. I hope you are as protective of un-born children as you are of un-born calves.
And generally, the growers don't knowingly send pregnant cattle to slaughter because they don't want to be feeding pregnant cattle in the first place; pregnant cattle are much less efficient.
I get my protien from the same sources that the cows get theirs. From Grains, veggies, etc. Cows are VEGETARIAN!!!! even vegan after being weined from the mother's. Humans are the only species that drinks milk other than from their own mother.
And even if beef is organically grown, it is still slaughtered and factory farmed.
You are missing a basic biological fact. Cows are not genetically designed to eat meat. Look at their teeth. They are all designed to mash and crush "vegetables." They also as someone pointed out above have several stomachs to completely digest and use all the nutrition in all the "vegetables" they eat. Now look at a lion's teeth. They are all designed to rip and tear and kill any animal that contains the meat they need. I'm sorry about the kill part, but that is the way nature works. Try to put a lion on a vegetarian diet and see how it fares. I don't have any facts to back it up, but I am pretty sure that the lion would be in poor health in a short time. Now look in the mirror at your teeth. You and I were designed to both mash vegetables and to cut, rip and tear meat. The Creator, whether you believe it is God or just time and evolution, designed us to meet our nutritional need through a varied diet consisting of grains, fruits, vegetables and meat. So stop comparing yourself to a cow, nothing could be further from the truth.
I love eating fish.... funny that none of them ever complained while I chopping them up :)
I eat beef...organically grown pork and chicken...
you do need real protein other than beans and crap like that...
that is unless you wanna be some pale underweight freak.
Who you calling freak? This muscle guy?I've been vegan for 11 years and vegetarian since I was eight years old. I routinely bench press 2.5 times my weight, I run a 4:08 mile, a 1:51 half mile, and a 48.9 quarter mile. Technically I am overweight for my height even though I body fat percentage is only 3%.
I'd love for you to repeat your comments to my face, hopefully using the proper verb tense this time. You'd see a very angry, very tan, very muscley guy who doesn't take kindly to being called a freak.
"I love eating fish.... funny that none of them ever complained while I chopping them up :)
I eat beef...organically grown pork and chicken...
you do need real protein other than beans and crap like that...
that is unless you wanna be some pale underweight freak."
Wow. You CLEARLY have no idea what you are saying. There are MANY MANY MANY other sources of protein besides meat and beans. The only reason you call them crap is probably because you can't name any.
I don't eat meat and I'm perfectly healthy, I weigh as much as I should at my age, and I'm not pale.
The thing is, that all of these other sources have just as much protein as meat, except they have less fat and are WAY better for you to eat.
PLEASE next time you post a comment, try and make sure you know a thing about what your saying.
...is of course (as others have suggested) to buy organic beef, which circumvents every problem addressed by the cartoon.
I really don't consider vegetarianism an option, as physicians (a good few of them) have repeatedly proven to me that vegetarians are among the unhealthiest people in general, owing mainly to the tremendous difficulty in putting together nutritionally-complete meals using North-American selection.
Many vegetarians also believe that soy protein is a complete substitute for animal protein, which is, speaking mildly, a crock.
Just be wary that long-term nutrient deficiency can be every bit as debilitating as all that toxicity one gets from years of munching on 'roid-pumped Doreens.
I am a vegan and I have several omnivore friends, most of which have had diseases, including diabetes, heart disease and cancer, which are ALL related to a poor diet, particularly one with meat!
I do get sick yes, but usually it is a cold or flu, not any of these lifestyle diseases that come with consuming too much of the wrong type of foods. People can eat meat and be healthy, if it's in moderation and is from pure sources, and most of the meat in this country is NOT safe and is from a factory!
BTW, soy does have every single amino acid that is needed for complete protein, though it is a bit low in methionine, which can be remedied by eating a food such as corn. There are some other great sources for non-animal protein.
You said you trust physicians who say that vegetarians are some of the most unhealthy in this country but that has not been my experience. It is usually the opposite, as long as the vegetarian in question has a well-balanced diet, and there are junk food vegetarians who put the rest of us healthier vegetarians in a bad light. Physicians are not always right unfortunately, especially since most medical schools do not even have adequate training in true foundations of health, such as nutrition. Drug companies and other organizations pay off these schools to indoctrinate the medical students to the point that they believe that drugs and surgery are the best and healthiest way to treat illnesses, which flies in the face of adequate evidence that a healthy diet IS one of the key cornerstones to good health. I would not trust most physicians slanted viewpoints on health, seeing that most of them also die at younger ages than the general population!
There are some physcians that are seeing the light more clearly, namely naturopathic physicians and other holistic-based doctors (read a book from Dr. Dean Ornish for a good method to reverse heart disease by eating a vegetarian diet!) and other healers who have had more success in treating their patients to the point of cure, not just suppressing symptoms, such as what happens with most modern day doctors unfortunately.
There are also so many positive benefits to a mostly or wholly plant-based diet, including healthier weight, skin, less diseases, more energy and so on. The recent research on phytochemicals is startling, showing that many diseases can be successfully healed.
And yes I can say this with full faith and confidence, since I have researched health matters my whole life, I plan to become a naturopathic doctor myself (or other type of holistic healer), and have seen numerous times the benefits of following a plant-based diet, including in my own life!
One last thing to consider is that most if not all of the longest lived peoples worldwide have a mostly vegetarian diet, with some drinking goat milk or eating yogurt, and a little bit of meat, such as fish. Please do your research before you tear apart the efficacy of a vegetarian diet, based on lies promulgated in the media and elsewhere.
You don't have to be vegetarian to be healthy, but you can be a vegetarian and be perfectly healthy, with better odds than that of those following a carnivorous or omnivorous diet!
> I am a vegan and I have several omnivore friends, most of which have had diseases...
R: Yeah. Nobody's denying that the country's eating habits are abysmal. When you can buy a 20 oz. tub of brownie batter off the shelf...
> BTW, soy does have every single amino acid that is needed for complete protein...
R: Yes. It does. Which would be great... if the amino acids were found in ratios even remotely close to animal protein, and if those acids weren't reacted out of existence by high-temperature cooking... and if the concentrations of three of those acids after cooking wasn't negligible (as found by virtually ever clinical trial ever run)... and people were generally smart enough to supplement with methionine-rich foods... and... and...
> You said you trust physicians who say that vegetarians are...
R: You're right. They could all be evil corporate pawns. But seeing as I can't confirm that either way, and the alternative is the totally unmoderated, totally unchecked, totally unaccountable Internet, I'll take my chances with the physicians.
> There are some physcians that are seeing the light more clearly...
I'll read the book if I can find it, I promise. But I also promise you that if Dr. Ornish doesn't present legitimate scientific arguments, the book is going in the garbage. There are a million self-proclaimed naturopathic doctors out there, and some of them can kill you.
> There are also so many positive benefits to a mostly...
R: Sez who. Refer me to one clinical study in a refereed medical journal and I'll buy you lunch.
> And yes I can say this with full faith...
R: I won't gainsay your efforts. But for the sake of the people you treat, always research the detractors, the skeptics, the 'omnivores'--sometimes they're right.
> Please do your research before...
R: Not to be snide, but this is exactly what any debater says when somebody on the Internet disagrees with them and the debater has nothing to rebut with. Your methione and Dr. Ornish arguments were great. They're concrete. I'll look them up.
Regards,
Champion of the 'Omnivores' (Do you really call people that to their faces?)
So if the animal is organically grown the guy at the slaughterhouse says "this is an organic cow, we have to treat it more humanely. Let's be gentle." ...... I THINK NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So far as I've seen, the cow gets a large, high-velocity bolt fired directly into the skull, killing the animal instantly.
Not to sound morbid, but that's a heckuvalot better way to go than most of the people reading this post will ever get. (I don't know about you, but cancer has chewed its way through my dad's side of the family.)
Actually, the bolt stuns the animal and knocks it unconcious. If an animal is not accurately stunned or the correct cartridge strength is not used, the stun will not be effective. The EU Scientific Veterinary Committee estimate that around 5 to 10% of cattle are not stunned effectively with the captive bolt. With the amount of animals that are killed for human consumption each year, this accounts for about 230,000 cows. These animals experience the pain of being shot in the head and will either be stunned again or continue on for throat slitting while concious.
Personally, I'd rather die of cancer than have my throat slit while concious and be hacked apart alive.
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To All animal rights
To
All animal rights activists/freaks.
You people need to get your priorities straight or maybe your heads examined.
The are count less millions of living breathing human beings suffering all over the world cause of war, feminine disease and oppression ; all the while you guys spend
you time championing/funding animal rights.
Heck in some countries animal rights organisations get more public funding than the ones that champion the safety and security of our children…I mean c’mon that just sick and twisted on so many fucking levels.
***IF YOU READ NOTHING ELSE,
***IF YOU READ NOTHING ELSE, JUST READ THIS:
The basic long and short of this discussion is that no animal wants to be killed. All animals (most humans included) want to live. Just because they may have a blue sky to look at once a day, or are able to stand in real grass (which I can assure you, is not the norm), it doesn't mean that they are skipping and carrying their happy, smiling faces right up to the dude that clocks them in the head with a hammer to stun them before slowly and painfully killing them. They don't want to die. Stop eating them. Just stop it.
Haven't you ever wondered why Americans typically only eat cows, pigs, chickens, and fish? It's because those animals don't have the teeth or claws to fight back. We are actually killing living beings that want to live and nurture their young so that we can eat their corspes. Now THAT is sick and twisted. Please think about it.
Having badly treated animals
Having badly treated animals can lead to other problems which can cause human suffering, such as factory farm pollution and unsafe food sources.
A lot of people who are animal rights advocates are also anti-war and for helping suffering human beings. It's not necessarily just only for animals or only for humans.
Which organizations are you referring to by "the ones that champion the safety and security of our children"?
The cartoon is very good.
The cartoon is very good. It's amazing that so few people know about factory farming and the realities of slaughterhouses. Kids actually still play with toy farms, read "Old McDonald's", and believe it.
Also see: http://www.themeatrix1.com/
About the horses, maybe
About the horses, maybe people need to follow more responsible breeding (which to me equals very restricted breeding) and ownership standards, rather than relying on auctions and slaughter houses as a dumping grounds. Lets stop the practice of incentive funds for breeding!
And as far as organic meat--think again. Organic meat is usually full of worms and parasites, I know this first hand. We rescue animals that were raised organically and trust me, they are FULL of disease. And all meat animals are subjected to slaughter house atrocities, please read "Slaughterhouse" if you don't belive me. When you eat this meat, your body absorbs all of the negative energy fileds of the animal that suffered for your fork.
I love it! How can I embed
I love it! How can I embed it somewhere so others can see???
I love it! How can I embed
I love it! How can I embed it somewhere so others can see???
If only this was fiction! My
If only this was fiction! My family and I are vegan and our empathy for the Doreens of this world is one of the reasons we choose this healthy way of life. I hope kids everywhere get to see this really great cartoon, it shows just how cold blooded,dirty and inhumane this whole industry is.
All I can do is laugh.
All I can do is laugh. There are so many ignorant and inaccurate statements in the cartoon and in these posts, that there is little to no credibility in what is here. I defend anyones right to a vegan lifestyle, and I do understand the health benefits that one can realize. That does not justify making innaccurate accusations against those that raise our food. Thanks to advances made in food production, we have reduced everyone's food costs and significantly reduced or eliminated starvation in many parts of the world. Eating meat is a choice one can make in a free country, and the meat supply in the US is both delicious and safe.
Comments like the "all I can
Comments like the "all I can do is laugh..." make me worry that our animals will never again see blue skies and roam in fields. Does this person honestly think that cartoon has misrepresentations? Who wrote that?
I wrote it. I know it. I
I wrote it. I know it.
I live it every day. I work with these animals and I know the cartoon is filled with misrepresentations.
I'll give Mark props for good animation and a shrewd sense of humor, but accuracy is not one of his strong points on this topic.
You probably work on a free
You probably work on a free range meat producer then. The majority of the places that we get meat from are not free range and are almost exactly like what is shown in this video.
No, not free range. I work
No, not free range.
I work with family farmers that raise cattle conventionally.
The cattle have plenty of room, good food and water. The more comfortable cattle are, the better they grow, so that is a priority.
What you know is what other people have told you.
What I know is what I see with my own eyes every day.
There are no cattle fed "almost exactly like what is shown in this video" that I know of, and I have visited cattle feeding places in 20 different states. The video takes small snippets of truth (which are usually in violation of the law) and projects them as fact for all fed cattle.
If you have an personal ethic that prevents you from eating meat, that is your right and I support it. But please don't use lies to promote your position.
It's a FACT that MANY MANY
It's a FACT that MANY MANY MANY places do what is seen in this video. Same thing with chickens actually.
And how do you know it's a
And how do you know it's a FACT?
How many of these places have you visited personally?
Don't blindly take the words of those that want to destroy livestock production at any cost (including the cost of ignoring the truth).
I will not lie to you. There are places out there that have no regard for animal comfort or public safety. But the FACT is they are very few and far between, and they are hated by those that raise cattle responsibly.
I give up. I clearly cannot
I give up. I clearly cannot convince you of the fact that this stuff happens almost every day. I'm not sure what meat packing places you say you work at, but they sound a lot better than MANY that exist.
Poorly Supported
Poorly Supported Argument...
Hi there. I cannot help but weigh in here a bit. I read this whole blog and I must say you did not really make much of an argument. Most of the literature I have read on this topic supports the idea that cattle are mistreated and the slaughter houses are atrocious. The work of Eric Slossenger (I apologize, I know I am spelling his name wrong) would be my main reference, but I have not personally visited any farms and seen with my own eyes how they are raised. I have friends from Texas who lived on and around farms and they have a tendency to not see the meat industry the way city folk do. If you really think you are in the right perhaps you can support your argument with examples and specifics to match the other fellows argument. He (or she) did a good job of explaining why he feels the way he does and the breadth of his experience.
Just a thought.
"I have visited cattle
"I have visited cattle feeding places in 20 different states".
Do you mean feedlots?
While I've never been to one, but the descriptions that I've heard and read sound EXACTLY like what Mr. Fiore depicts in this cartoon.
Have I been misled?
"Power Steer"
By MICHAEL POLLAN
Published: March 31, 2002
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C06E5DB153BF932A05750C0A...
"...
Cattle pens stretch to the horizon, each one home to 150 animals standing dully or lying around in a grayish mud that it eventually dawns on you isn't mud at all. The pens line a network of unpaved roads that loop around vast waste lagoons on their way to the feedlot's beating heart: a chugging, silvery feed mill that soars like an industrial cathedral over this teeming metropolis of meat...
What gets a beef calf from 80 to 1,200 pounds in 14 months are enormous quantities of corn, protein supplements -- and drugs, including growth hormones...
On many ranches, weaned calves go directly from the pasture to the sale barn, where they're sold at auction, by the pound, to feedlots...
F.D.A. rules still permit feedlots to feed nonruminant animal protein to cows. (Feather meal is an accepted cattle feed, as are pig and fish protein and chicken manure...
Cows rarely live on feedlot diets for more than six months, which might be about as much as their digestive systems can tolerate...
What keeps a feedlot animal healthy -- or healthy enough -- are antibiotics...
The F.D.A. is opening an inquiry into the problem, but for now, implanting hormones in beef cattle is legal and financially irresistible: an implant costs $1.50 and adds between 40 and 50 pounds to the weight of a steer at slaughter, for a return of at least $25...
According to Cattle-Fax, a market-research firm, the return on an animal coming out of a feedlot has averaged just $3 per head over the last 20 years..."
HELL YEA!! LOVE IT!! ANIMAL
HELL YEA!! LOVE IT!!
ANIMAL LIBERATION NOW!!
VEGAN POWER!!
Meat is murder.
Meat is murder.
here here!
here here!
"She's a cow! not a hippie!"
"She's a cow! not a hippie!" awesome comment, and I agree with some of the above posters, this is definitely one of Mark's best pieces ever, it gets to the point very directly. This and a myriad of other fine pieces will educate people to what so much of today's beef supply can be like.
p.s I don't eat much meat or drink much milk myself. I still like cheese, however found a local source that is free-range and organic.
Heh-heh. Thanks, glad you
Heh-heh. Thanks, glad you liked that one!
-Mark
I've been a vegetarian for
I've been a vegetarian for four years and couldn't have made a more important or better decision! It has improved my health, introduced me to new tasty foods I wold have never tried before, and that makes me feel better about myself. I also stopped drinking milk and have recently been trying to drastically reduce my dairy intake so soon I can be completely vegan. I can't even imagine going back to meat and milk! Go Veg!
I'm not a vegan or a
I'm not a vegan or a vegetarian but I am considering becoming one.
A plant based diet is healthier. You never hear about meat curing or treating any illness but you always hear about the healing nutrients found in fruits and veggies.
I do consume mostly organic and natural food. I never ate pork and I am gradually getting away from beef. If I do eat beef or any meat for that matter I have to buy it myself. It has to be organic or as natural as possible.
The crap that they put in our food today should be a crime. Americans are the most obese people on the planet and degenerative diseases in this country are sky-rocketing even among young people.
We need to wake up and really pay attention to what we are eating.
If you are what you eat then people who eat beef are walking chemical time bombs.
I bet vegans and vegetarians have lower rates of heart disease and colon cancer. It's a fact that processed meats like bacon, sausasge, and hot dogs cause cancer due to the sodium nitrate that is added.
I still say a plant based diet is healthier. There are too many issues and risks associated with eating meat.
eating beef isn't only kinda
eating beef isn't only kinda disgusting when you think about the cow. It's also a bit of a waste. ONE cow in it's life (before it's slaughtered that is) eats A LOT of grain. (not that it's necessarily built to) The grain that it eats could feed LOTS AND LOTS of people. Once the cow is slaughtered, it's meat won't feed nearly as many people. This is why it's a waste.
The grain the cow eats is in a way transfered into beef. Say the cow eats 500 pounds of grain in its life. It might not even produce half that much. The grain could have fed LOTS OF PEOPLE. The cow can't.
that cruelty happened in the
that cruelty happened in the town next to mine...I havent eaten meat since.I dont want to ever be a part of animal misery ever again.
Good for you! :)
Good for you! :)
Hi I also am a very healthy
Hi
I also am a very healthy Vegan. Just like cows I get my prtien and million of other nutrients direct from the source. Sunshine, fresh air, water, exersize, and all the fruits, nuts, seeds, herbs, veges and green leafs and grasses the are provided in abundance. Protien is made up of 9 essential acids. Animal protien must be broken down to the raw acids and then absorbed which is taxing on the body.
A cow has 4 stomachs you might say but I have a vita-mix blender and i make yummy green smooties from all sorts of green leaves.
40% green leaves and 60% fruits make em yummy and so energizing.
Just add water to desired consistency.
The highest source of protien can be found in hemp leaf. One of the most diverse plants on the planet.
Try edible weeds such as dandelion, fat hen, dock and clover.
Let the lawns grow and heal the body. soil and enviroment
I truely believe that we are always evolving forward and slaughtering animals for food is only for the ones who are to lazy to do thier universal duty to tend to the soil.
Much love to all
Matty
Get to know some ranchers.
Get to know some ranchers. Help them butcher so you know its done right. Go in with a few friends and buy an elk (excellent!). Find a Hutterite colony and get some eggs and chickens. Shop the local farmers markets. Do everything possible to support the family farm and farm coops- ITS MORE THAN JUST PRESERVING A WAY OF LIFE
You pull no punches.
You pull no punches.
Once again you shine light on an ugly truth that noone else seems to have the nerve to bring up. Then you show how issues are interrelated through reappearances of your iconic characters.
Doreen should take her show on the road to talk about the similarities with slaughterhouses and public schools. Too many "cattle" in too close of quarters, forced immunization degenerating the health of the cattle, not to mention the connecting tissue of recalled bad meat that just happened to be sent mainly to institutions (public schools) and fast food.
Looking forward to the sequel. We love you Doreen! You rock Mark!
great cartoon, mark. the
great cartoon, mark. the satire is spot-on. poor kids, poor cows. i only wish there'd been mention that doreen is a milk cow who's been systematically raped and separated from her calves throughout her 5 short years of life. maybe the sequel can follow her son dylan and show us how to make veal.
i'm pale because my ancestors are scottish, not because i'm vegan. peace out!
in regards to your "the cows
in regards to your "the cows are raped" comment. The bulls don't even see the female cows anymore instead the sperm is "collected" (and trust me it's not fun for the bull just painfull) and injected into the female.
While that is true in a lot
While that is true in a lot of cases (more common for dairy cattle or for breeding bulls for sire) Most cows are still bred the old fashioned way with the bulls in the pasture with the cow. And if you have ever witnessed the act, it is not pleasant for the cow, and really doesn't look pleasant for the bull.
And in the case of artificial insemination.... The vet inserts his whole arm in the cows vagina. Tell me that isn't rape.
> And in the case of
> And in the case of artificial insemination.... The vet inserts his whole arm in the cows vagina. Tell me that isn't rape.
Actually, the arm goes into the anus. The vet needs to locate the uterus and "feel" when the insemination tube has gone in "far enough".
But then, getting "fisted in the A**" without prior consent qualifies as rape, too ;-).
Mark, about Doreen, I think
Mark, about Doreen,
I think you should have slow motioned the offal (dead, diseased animal parts used to "enhance" chicken and cattle feed. If you are what you eat, then it's disgusting to think about what industry feeds and injects into their animals! I wonder what it's doing to our kids! I'm sure we all have some ideas on that one....
Hey, I have often thought about the waste of the fetuses of so many pregnant animals brought to slaughter. Well, it's not really a waste, they use them in medical schools. I wish the growers wouldn't slaughter the pregnant ones though.
I personally eat organic meats. I think it's a healthy thing to do, but if you can be vegetarian or vegan, more power to you.
"Hey, I have often thought
"Hey, I have often thought about the waste of the fetuses of so many pregnant animals brought to slaughter. Well, it's not really a waste, they use them in medical schools. I wish the growers wouldn't slaughter the pregnant ones though."
That's a sweet thought. I hope you are as protective of un-born children as you are of un-born calves.
And generally, the growers don't knowingly send pregnant cattle to slaughter because they don't want to be feeding pregnant cattle in the first place; pregnant cattle are much less efficient.
I get my protien from the
I get my protien from the same sources that the cows get theirs. From Grains, veggies, etc. Cows are VEGETARIAN!!!! even vegan after being weined from the mother's. Humans are the only species that drinks milk other than from their own mother.
And even if beef is organically grown, it is still slaughtered and factory farmed.
You are missing a basic
You are missing a basic biological fact. Cows are not genetically designed to eat meat. Look at their teeth. They are all designed to mash and crush "vegetables." They also as someone pointed out above have several stomachs to completely digest and use all the nutrition in all the "vegetables" they eat. Now look at a lion's teeth. They are all designed to rip and tear and kill any animal that contains the meat they need. I'm sorry about the kill part, but that is the way nature works. Try to put a lion on a vegetarian diet and see how it fares. I don't have any facts to back it up, but I am pretty sure that the lion would be in poor health in a short time. Now look in the mirror at your teeth. You and I were designed to both mash vegetables and to cut, rip and tear meat. The Creator, whether you believe it is God or just time and evolution, designed us to meet our nutritional need through a varied diet consisting of grains, fruits, vegetables and meat. So stop comparing yourself to a cow, nothing could be further from the truth.
Jim Spaller
I love eating fish.... funny
I love eating fish.... funny that none of them ever complained while I chopping them up :)
I eat beef...organically grown pork and chicken...
you do need real protein other than beans and crap like that...
that is unless you wanna be some pale underweight freak.
Who you calling freak? This
Who you calling freak? This muscle guy?I've been vegan for 11 years and vegetarian since I was eight years old. I routinely bench press 2.5 times my weight, I run a 4:08 mile, a 1:51 half mile, and a 48.9 quarter mile. Technically I am overweight for my height even though I body fat percentage is only 3%.
I'd love for you to repeat your comments to my face, hopefully using the proper verb tense this time. You'd see a very angry, very tan, very muscley guy who doesn't take kindly to being called a freak.
you are so misinformed. I
you are so misinformed. I feel bad for you.
"I love eating fish....
"I love eating fish.... funny that none of them ever complained while I chopping them up :)
I eat beef...organically grown pork and chicken...
you do need real protein other than beans and crap like that...
that is unless you wanna be some pale underweight freak."
Wow. You CLEARLY have no idea what you are saying. There are MANY MANY MANY other sources of protein besides meat and beans. The only reason you call them crap is probably because you can't name any.
I don't eat meat and I'm perfectly healthy, I weigh as much as I should at my age, and I'm not pale.
The thing is, that all of these other sources have just as much protein as meat, except they have less fat and are WAY better for you to eat.
PLEASE next time you post a comment, try and make sure you know a thing about what your saying.
Tell that to a gorilla or an
Tell that to a gorilla or an elephant.
The $64,000.00
The $64,000.00 Solution
...is of course (as others have suggested) to buy organic beef, which circumvents every problem addressed by the cartoon.
I really don't consider vegetarianism an option, as physicians (a good few of them) have repeatedly proven to me that vegetarians are among the unhealthiest people in general, owing mainly to the tremendous difficulty in putting together nutritionally-complete meals using North-American selection.
Many vegetarians also believe that soy protein is a complete substitute for animal protein, which is, speaking mildly, a crock.
Just be wary that long-term nutrient deficiency can be every bit as debilitating as all that toxicity one gets from years of munching on 'roid-pumped Doreens.
Thanks for the 'toon, Mark. :)
- U.S. Beef Industry Spokesguy (Not Really)
I am a vegan and I have
I am a vegan and I have several omnivore friends, most of which have had diseases, including diabetes, heart disease and cancer, which are ALL related to a poor diet, particularly one with meat!
I do get sick yes, but usually it is a cold or flu, not any of these lifestyle diseases that come with consuming too much of the wrong type of foods. People can eat meat and be healthy, if it's in moderation and is from pure sources, and most of the meat in this country is NOT safe and is from a factory!
BTW, soy does have every single amino acid that is needed for complete protein, though it is a bit low in methionine, which can be remedied by eating a food such as corn. There are some other great sources for non-animal protein.
You said you trust physicians who say that vegetarians are some of the most unhealthy in this country but that has not been my experience. It is usually the opposite, as long as the vegetarian in question has a well-balanced diet, and there are junk food vegetarians who put the rest of us healthier vegetarians in a bad light. Physicians are not always right unfortunately, especially since most medical schools do not even have adequate training in true foundations of health, such as nutrition. Drug companies and other organizations pay off these schools to indoctrinate the medical students to the point that they believe that drugs and surgery are the best and healthiest way to treat illnesses, which flies in the face of adequate evidence that a healthy diet IS one of the key cornerstones to good health. I would not trust most physicians slanted viewpoints on health, seeing that most of them also die at younger ages than the general population!
There are some physcians that are seeing the light more clearly, namely naturopathic physicians and other holistic-based doctors (read a book from Dr. Dean Ornish for a good method to reverse heart disease by eating a vegetarian diet!) and other healers who have had more success in treating their patients to the point of cure, not just suppressing symptoms, such as what happens with most modern day doctors unfortunately.
There are also so many positive benefits to a mostly or wholly plant-based diet, including healthier weight, skin, less diseases, more energy and so on. The recent research on phytochemicals is startling, showing that many diseases can be successfully healed.
And yes I can say this with full faith and confidence, since I have researched health matters my whole life, I plan to become a naturopathic doctor myself (or other type of holistic healer), and have seen numerous times the benefits of following a plant-based diet, including in my own life!
One last thing to consider is that most if not all of the longest lived peoples worldwide have a mostly vegetarian diet, with some drinking goat milk or eating yogurt, and a little bit of meat, such as fish. Please do your research before you tear apart the efficacy of a vegetarian diet, based on lies promulgated in the media and elsewhere.
You don't have to be vegetarian to be healthy, but you can be a vegetarian and be perfectly healthy, with better odds than that of those following a carnivorous or omnivorous diet!
A Health Nut Vegan (Really)
> I am a vegan and I have
> I am a vegan and I have several omnivore friends, most of which have had diseases...
R: Yeah. Nobody's denying that the country's eating habits are abysmal. When you can buy a 20 oz. tub of brownie batter off the shelf...
> BTW, soy does have every single amino acid that is needed for complete protein...
R: Yes. It does. Which would be great... if the amino acids were found in ratios even remotely close to animal protein, and if those acids weren't reacted out of existence by high-temperature cooking... and if the concentrations of three of those acids after cooking wasn't negligible (as found by virtually ever clinical trial ever run)... and people were generally smart enough to supplement with methionine-rich foods... and... and...
> You said you trust physicians who say that vegetarians are...
R: You're right. They could all be evil corporate pawns. But seeing as I can't confirm that either way, and the alternative is the totally unmoderated, totally unchecked, totally unaccountable Internet, I'll take my chances with the physicians.
> There are some physcians that are seeing the light more clearly...
I'll read the book if I can find it, I promise. But I also promise you that if Dr. Ornish doesn't present legitimate scientific arguments, the book is going in the garbage. There are a million self-proclaimed naturopathic doctors out there, and some of them can kill you.
> There are also so many positive benefits to a mostly...
R: Sez who. Refer me to one clinical study in a refereed medical journal and I'll buy you lunch.
> And yes I can say this with full faith...
R: I won't gainsay your efforts. But for the sake of the people you treat, always research the detractors, the skeptics, the 'omnivores'--sometimes they're right.
> Please do your research before...
R: Not to be snide, but this is exactly what any debater says when somebody on the Internet disagrees with them and the debater has nothing to rebut with. Your methione and Dr. Ornish arguments were great. They're concrete. I'll look them up.
Regards,
Champion of the 'Omnivores' (Do you really call people that to their faces?)
So if the animal is
So if the animal is organically grown the guy at the slaughterhouse says "this is an organic cow, we have to treat it more humanely. Let's be gentle." ...... I THINK NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So far as I've seen, the cow
So far as I've seen, the cow gets a large, high-velocity bolt fired directly into the skull, killing the animal instantly.
Not to sound morbid, but that's a heckuvalot better way to go than most of the people reading this post will ever get. (I don't know about you, but cancer has chewed its way through my dad's side of the family.)
- Champion of the Omnivores
Actually, the bolt stuns the
Actually, the bolt stuns the animal and knocks it unconcious. If an animal is not accurately stunned or the correct cartridge strength is not used, the stun will not be effective. The EU Scientific Veterinary Committee estimate that around 5 to 10% of cattle are not stunned effectively with the captive bolt. With the amount of animals that are killed for human consumption each year, this accounts for about 230,000 cows. These animals experience the pain of being shot in the head and will either be stunned again or continue on for throat slitting while concious.
Personally, I'd rather die of cancer than have my throat slit while concious and be hacked apart alive.
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