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To "Hello you served" - You

To "Hello you served" - You said it all. Thank you.

I'm confused. How does

I'm confused. How does being a POW make one competent in foreign affairs? Just curious.

Undecided on who should be

Undecided on who should be next POTUS, but I have never seen any indication that McCain supported anything close to torture, including waterboarding.

Well, for one thing, he

Well, for one thing, he supported the Military Commissions Act, which allows the president to set his own definition of torture. He voted against the bill known as HR 2082, which would have prohibited interrogation techniques not authorized by the Army Field Manual. His Detainee Treatment Act exempted CIA interrogators. The Graham-Levin Amendment of the Detainee Treatment Act allows the Dept. of "Defense" to consider evidence gathered via torture, and strips "enemy combatants" of habeas corpus, leaving them without recourse to challenge their detention and interrogation.

I have met "enemy

I have met "enemy combatants." They are not American citizens, and they are not uniformed soldiers. Non-uniformed combatants are prohibited by international agreement, and the punishment for being a non-uniformed combatant has always been death. The enemy combatants that I saw were not killed, and many of them were released by the local Afghan governor even though they were dangerous. Where in our constitution does it afford the right of habeas corpus to anyone who is not a citizen of this country?

I have seen, with my own eyes, human beings blown to pieces that I had to put in bags; blown to pieces by "enemy combatants." I do not condone torture, but I do not support habeas corpus for insurgents and international terrorists. Al Qaeda is alive and well in Pakistan and Afghanistan.

Oh, having been a POW is not a special qualification for anything other than having demonstrated that he was willing to maintain his commitment to this country EVEN when he was tortured and imprisoned. Who else who reads this can claim the same proof of commitment to this country? If you cannot claim the same, then do not question that proof.

I gave a year of my life in Afghanistan, having returned only three weeks ago to find this childish satirical drivel about real issues that I have seen firsthand. You have no idea what you are doing. Go and see the world for real. Like the little box to the upper right here says, quit complaining and DO something. I did. I volunteered, and I would have just as happily gone to Iraq if that's where they had needed me. I have worked hand in hand with Afghans, and I have seen their struggle at ground level.

Yeah, good one, Mark. Nice little cartoons. Nice little comments. Complete delusional mental masturbation. There is a REAL world out there, and we are barely part of it; it's foolish navel digging like this that keeps us drooling in our little enclave.

So self-important and high-minded. This stuff is all at the level of adult playground name-calling.

I feel like I came home from overseas to find everyone drunk and trashing the house.

Boy you sure can brag about

Boy you sure can brag about what a worldly know it all you sound like. You say over and over "I've been there..." but give no specific details about what justify's this war. Quit glorifying yourself and do some actual explaining. Thank you Mr. Hero. Peace-James

God, are you one skrewed up

God, are you one skrewed up individual. I hope you get some counseling and history lessons, ASAP. Plese don't ever own a gun or takes drugs - people like you scare me and frequently make the news, unfortunately...

Hello, You served in some

Hello,
You served in some capacity in Afghanistan, although you didn't say what branch. I assume you volunteered. THANK YOU! But as far as your self righteous lecture goes, maybe your indignation is misplaced.
You think you saw the reality of Afghanistan in one year? You didn't even come close! You saw Afghanis and their country through the lens of an occupier, through the lens of your "mission" and all the indoctrination and military brainwashing goes with it. You worked with Afghanis? Well they worked with you because they're desperate and they HAVE TO. You were strutting around in their busted up country with a gun and some handouts. How patronizing! Do you think because they smile and make you some tea that means they want you there?
If you bother to read a little history, you might find out that you weren't the first foreign occupying force to go into Afghanistan. There's a long line, and you were just the most recent,
but you seem to have the same ignorance and the same arrogant attitude as the ones before you. Whether Osama Bin Laden (whoever he is) may or may not have been based there (and if so, how did he get away so easy?) doesn't really matter to the Afghanis in the long run. They're really proud people, and they've developed a sore spot about this occupation thing over the past 300 years, and it REALLY pisses them off to see foreign uniforms and military equipment in their country and having their villages and family homes and weddings blown up by mistake, or maybe on purpose. They have recently endured 30+ years of war and horrible oppression, courtesy of the soviets, taliban, and warlords, plus all the poverty, deprivation, starvation, and horror that goes with it, not to mention America's broken promises when the Soviets left. It's just possible that they're not in the mood to accomodate your proud mission, no matter how much you believe in it. Do you think Americans are going to stride in with our righteous indignation about 9/11 and win Afghani hearts and minds and transform their society by building some clinics and schools and handing out candy to their kids after we've blown the place apart? Or, try this one on; Don't you think American patriots would fight to the death if there were chinese tanks in Arizona or the Smokey mountains or ships off the coast of Seattle? Might you be tempted to target your enemy and blow some ------- up if your family memebers got blown up or burned and maimed and written off as collateral damage? And do you think you'd need a uniform to do that? ------- NO! IT'S YOUR COUNTRY! Of course the occupiers would define you as an "enemy combatant" under international rules and imprison (or torture) you, but maybe that wouldn't be the first thing on your mind when you go fight. Oh, and speaking of habeas corpus, you may have noticed that while you were over there serving, we lost habeas corpus HERE IN THE U.S., courtesy of your commander in chief and his flying monkeys at DOJ. Simple fact about constitutional law as applied to rights, either EVERYBODY has them, or NOBODY has them. And to write off every carnage that happens in Afghanistan or even Iraq, for that matter, as an Al Qaeda operation, is just plain ignorant. There are murderous elements in Afghanistan and Iraq that want to kill Americans, some of them are Al Qaeda, a lot of them just want the occupiers, including Al Qaeda, out of their country, just like you would. Americans think that because 9/11 happened, we have some divine right to go in and run military ops that indiscriminantly kill and maim THOUSANDS of innocent civilians because we're enraged and confused about the attack on our country. There are some dots to connect here. In light
of your service, I hope you take the next step and educate yourself a little better about where you were and what you are a part of. There are plenty of people who for years have gone and continue to go to Afghanistan who know the people and the place a lot better than you ever could from a military perspective, maybe you should talk to some of them.

AMEN. THANK YOU.

AMEN. THANK YOU.

Sorry to hear that you don't

Sorry to hear that you don't know anything. I'm sure you've seen the worst that man can do to his fellow man. Sorta like when American bombs land on civilians killing hundreds at a pop. Why? I guess they were in the wrong place at the wrong time.

There is no such term as "enemy combatant". You can look through the UN charter, the Geneva Convention, the Nuremburg Trials, and anywhere else. The term doesn't exist. But what DOES exist is Article VI of the US Constitution (you may have heard of this piece of paper. It's the one you're trying to destroy). Article VI states that ANY international treaty that the US government signs onto becomes "THE LAW OF THE LAND." Sorry to show how dumb you are, but I'm afraid you've left little choice.

Now go back to work on destroying the rest of the Constitution and Bill of Rights so that future generations will be able to ask, "Daddy, what does freedom mean?"

Amen. This fool thinks that

Amen. This fool thinks that in order to fight back, you have to be uniformed (i.e. supported by the state). He's a brainwashed GI hack and is completely clueless. Hopefully, he'll go back to kindergarden and start all over...

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A human is a human,

A human is a human, regardless of nationality. A nation that claims to the pinnacle of freedom and tolerance should not do things to citizens of other nations that it would not do to it's own.

The name calling bit is almost as laughible as the clear fallacys that liter your argument.

And although I personally disagree with the ideolgy of those so called "Enemy Combatants," I have far more sympathy for them than the selfrighteous nationalist zelots that fight for the United States. Maybe it is MY frist hand experiance but they are far to misguided; a great waste of ones life in my opinion. And yes this is a direct insult of the military. The hero worship of them in the media is unsettling. The USA has a volunteer armed forces, those who volunteered shouldn't be put up for their mistakes. If bad things happen to anyone in the army regardless of the ineptitude of the leaders that person should look no further than themselves.
Casey?

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Wrong. The Geneva convention

Wrong. The Geneva convention protocols intertwine with the Hague conventions(that also tie into and as long as enemy combats are identified carrying a weapon, then they have the same protections. Even though we have not fully ratified AP 1 and 2 though it's implemented in the Army field manual, the Martens Clause indicates that the Additional Protocols may be considered customary law and that all parties are morally bound by the rules in them if they truly wish to be seen as adhering to both the letter and the spirit of international law) And WW2 Generals from the greatest generation don't agree with you, so you might want to show some respect for what this country actually stands for since you claim to be a veteran, but John McCain would rather spit on you than look at you, for he does not support the new G.I Bill, so really when you defend him, you're saying you don't want your pension and you don't want your education paid for or respect. You're saying you don't want health care; you're saying you don't care about veterans suffering in Walter Reed which is a national disgrace.

And Mark showed you exactly where it says habeas corpus applies to non American citizens and it shall not be suspended under any circumstances except if this country is invaded etc. Which is why it has only been fully suspended during the Civil war. This is really important to know, especially for those serving. Whether you like Mark, me, or anyone else, we have more respect for your service than any Republican that supported th Military commissions Act which was unconstitutional and fades away protections given to you, if you were taken prisoner; that's the point. You say you don't support torture. Good, but thinking that habeas corpus only applies to American citizens is not true, for habeas corpus was established before this country was established.

McCain does not care about you; McCain does not care about the Constitution via your rights and protections if you were under POW status, If he did he would not have supported the Military Commissions Act like the poster above you said. Not caring about habeas corpus or rule of law is not supporting what Americans stand for and that's why WW2 Generals abhor torture and the suspension of habeas corpus, because they are intertwined. That's what this country stands for; rule of law. And The Military Commissions Act does allow for habeas corpus to be suspended for US citizens. All that has to happen is for the president to say that they are "enemy combatants." He's allowed to interpret it, and that's close to starting dictatorial powers for even some kings didn't have that power when it was first written.

If you care about your fellow veterans than I'm going to implore you to think of freedom as something more than a yellow ribbon or a symbolic gesture. If you care about your fellow veterans, you will hear their cries and you will pay attention to them:

http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080423/OPINI...

VoteVets is an amazing organization and I would plead for you to join them, because they are the only group who really cares about our veterans, because John McCain does not care at all, and we can see that by his actions and his refusal to support the new G.I Bill.

http://votevets.org/pages/?id=0009

Don't ignore that 1,000 veterans are committing suicide, because they don't get the mental health benefits promised to them when they come back. Please don't turn your back on your fellow veterans and please reconsider supporting John McCain for he does not care about you.

To "another great cartoon"

To "another great cartoon" ,You are so right!!!!!! And to the "your so negative..." comment, yes, it is so sad that SOOOOO many negative things ARE going on mostly because of BS politics and corporate greed here in America and around the world. Frankly I'm getting sick to my stomach of it all.And this cartoonist is telling it like it is. SICKO!!!!
Kudos Mark

Fiore 08'!

Fiore 08'!

McW FOR PRESIDENT!

McW FOR PRESIDENT!

McCain '08 Four more years

McCain '08

Four more years of strong Christian leadership!

Obama 08' four NEW years of

Obama 08'

four NEW years of competence, common sense, and intellectual strength!!!!

what's so important about

what's so important about him being "Christian"

would you still vote for him if he was a Jew?

Extremely Annoying... Also

Extremely Annoying...

Also your animations are very sarcastic and you are good at pointing out flaws in many things. However, I can't take you very seriously when all your cartoons do is complain. Anyone can complain about the state of affairs. Why not entertain people with something less negative? Maybe positive and uplifting? I mean since you seem so disatisfied with everything going on.

Your work is witty ill give you that, on occasion. But your message is that of a crybaby. JMO

"Why not entertain people

"Why not entertain people with something less negative? Maybe positive and uplifting? "

well he IS making political cartoons. The current government provides more negative material than good. Hopefully that will change when bush is out of office.

Another great cartoon. Not

Another great cartoon. Not surprisingly, you're being targeted by hecklers now. Apparently they confuse you with a corporate news editor who has to "satisfy the customers".

"you're being targeted by

"you're being targeted by hecklers now. Apparently they confuse you with a corporate news editor who has to "satisfy the customers"."

EXACTLY! I think that plenty of the people who are saying this cartoon isn't good are supporters of McCain. It hurts them to have to hear the truth. It's better that they hear it though. Even if they ignore it.

GOLD

GOLD

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I've often wondered what

I've often wondered what exactly the U.S. military will do when things are resolved (for better or for worse) in Iraq.

As it stands now, the U.S. war machine is munching up many a (borrowed) hundred billion a year. That's a lot of army officers, contractors, weapons suppliers, munitions suppliers, researchers, etc., etc. to suddenly 'turn off' when they're no longer needed.

It's getting to the point where if someone flips the war machine to 'off', a double-digit percentage of the U.S. economy suddenly gets shut off with it. For a nation with a GNP like the U.S., a trillion dollars worth of business/people suddenly out of work may not seem like much, but history has shown us that even 'glitches' as low as 40 billion have thrown stocks into turmoil and caused major headaches for U.S. businesses.

Darn it, Mark! By campaigning against the one strong sector of the economy, you could be undermining the steadfast piece of duct tape holding the works together! Curse your hatred for the glorious carnage of war!

Although, I suppose if the current uberdeficit trends continue, with foreign owners pouring their increasingly worthless U.S. dollars into buying tangible U.S. assets, there won't really be many American-owned businesses left for Americans to worry about. :(

Seems a little like 'Damned if you do...'.

Either way, I'm pulling for ya.

The truth

The truth hurts...........almost as much as looking at that ugly bastard.

Mark, Don't listen to

Mark,
Don't listen to the critics, you animation is right on! How could anyone trust a man who did not learn from the mistakes of the Vietnam war; a war, which we are constantly reminded, he fought in and now tries to keep us in another mistake for 100 years! Keep them coming!

Chris
Wheaton IL

Amen. Steve Chicago, IL

Amen.

Steve
Chicago, IL

For once, I have to say it's

For once, I have to say it's not very funny. But I guess you can't win every time.

You can not let McCain in

You can not let McCain in the whitehouse.... the daily show writters have had it to easy for to long. Vote Obama, make those daily show writters work for a living...

- SPT

We must not let Obama or

We must not let Obama or Clinton into the White House.... the mainstream-media have made it too easy for both of them for too long.

Vote McCain.... the only candidate with the character, experience and judgement to be POTUS/CIC.

GO OBAMA!

GO OBAMA!

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The "Mainstream-media" in

The "Mainstream-media" in this country is the most centerist, lowest common denomiator, market in the world. If you claim they're talking it easy, isn't that just a statment that the powers that be find them untreatening? Perhaps not in this election, but soon, a new more progressive party needs to be formed. To bad weed ideas like McCain's out of the system.
Casey?

admin's picture

I just posted the new

I just posted the new animation-- John McCain may wish I had stayed on vacation. -MF

I don't think he gives a

I don't think he gives a crap. You're not that f#%ing important.

And, while you are very sarcastic, you are not very astute. You are talented at the "Ren & Stimpy Cartoon" style of animation, which is a very limited niche... but hey, keep going with what makes you giggle, boy.

Just keeping it real.

Hope you enjoyed your vacation. Perhaps one day you will do something that will make all people think, instead of just amusing those who have ill will for your targets.

But don't delude yourself into thinking that McCain is going to regret your return to work. You just aren't that much of a player. Have fun.

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Watch out Mark. You've

Watch out Mark. You've apparently mobilized the way-over-their-head-ites.

I'd recommend not telling their king here to 'hit the road'; he might charge you with uttering threats.

Hey Mark, Your new animation

Hey Mark,

Your new animation serves very well to illustrate your lack of brain matter -- You should have stayed on vacation.

If you can be naive and

If you can be naive and trusting enough of John McCain that you will simply ignore all of the reasons NOT to vote for him, than I really wouldn't be remarking on someone's lack of brain matter if I were you.

If McCain does win, he'll be better than Bush (not that that's really saying much). However, the idea of 100 years in Iraq, and "Bomb bomb. Bomb bombing Iran" doesn't sound at all appealing.

GO OBAMA!

Casey_questionmark's picture

What website told all you

What website told all you conservatives to come here and ruin and a good thing? I'm really curious.
Casey?

admin's picture

I welcome conservatives--

I welcome conservatives-- the more, the better! Conservatives can add a lot to the discussion. (Why, even I hold some conservative views:-) I wish we could stop viewing everything through a left-right prism.

-Mark Fiore

Well said, Mark! If everyone

Well said, Mark! If everyone just falls into line with one viewpoint without exploring the possiblity that there is another equally valid point of view, then you get things like everyone jumping on a bandwagon to go to war on false premises. Not that anyone would have been stupid enough to do that, say, 5 years ago.

I still don't understand why so many didn't see an Iraq invasion coming when that goofball got elected.

Graz

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