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This is the best
This is the best illustration of the lunacy of the Right I've ever seen. If Pelosi, Reed and even Obama could/would as eloquently lay out the arguments as heard and repeated infinitely by the Rep Noise Machine, and SHOW all the flaws in their logic - like these cartoons do (and in such a supremely talented and funny way I might add) - we'd be in a much better place. Thank you for your contribution
Coming from a progressive -
Coming from a progressive - not a teaparty-foxhole:
This is stepping toward something good, but landing in dog-poop.
Forcing the poor (me) to buy something is forcing the poor (me) to subsidize the wealthy.
I'm all for healthcare for all, but this is about the most corporate version of that you could get.
AMEN! This is another sad
AMEN! This is another sad failure of government. I hope this gets declared unconstitutional or we will never get out of this recession.
One word: brilliant.
One word: brilliant.
I have to say, dogboy was
I have to say, dogboy was NOT reading the communistic/socialistic bill that Mark has him "reading" or he would have warned us of the danger of being FORCED to by a service!
I think all mandatory insurance laws are unconstitutional and as such should be repealed as well as ALL licences, plumbing , electric ,driving etc........
you fools let this government get another piece of your liberty every time you agree to one of their "Licenses"!
Danger of being forced to
Danger of being forced to buy a service...
Picture this. You wake up to a weird noise in the next room. You go check it out, only to find yourself face-to-face with a pair of burglars. You manage to evade them, grab the cellphone and lock yourself in the bathroom. You call 911, explain the situation, and ask for help... at which time you are asked for either your law-enforcement insurance, or a credit-card number, both of which happen to be in the next room, with the burglars...
The headline next day reads: "Man killed by burglars; police refused to come due to non-payment."
... Apply the same logic to a soon-to-be fatal car injury, where you are found unconscious having left your wallet at home, or it got lost in the confusion. (Death by 3rd party confusion...)
Healthcare should not be an optional service, but a public one.
And what if you can't afford
And what if you can't afford it? Should those too poor have to suffer homelessness then?
And that just proves that
And that just proves that you're an idiot. Licenses are proof that someone is capable of doing the job they're licensed for. Otherwise, how is one to know if the plumber you've hired can do the work properly until after he's ripped holy hell out of your house? Put your foil hat back on and stop trying to talk about stuff you know less than nothing about.
That would be alright if you
That would be alright if you didn't have to pay up to thousands of dollars for them. Also Photo IDs are 24$. If you are homeless you can't get a job without one and what are you going to do if you don't have either one? Can't get your birthcertificate because you don't have your ID. Can't get your ID because you don't have your birthcertificate Can't get your birthcertificate because you don't have your ID. Can't get your ID because you don't have your birthcertificateCan't get your birthcertificate because you don't have your ID. Can't get your ID because you don't have your birthcertificateCan't get your birthcertificate because you don't have your ID. Can't get your ID because you don't have your birthcertificate ETC ETC You get the idea.
The whole system forcs you to jump through hoops and pay through your nose till you have no money left. Its killing our business system and our economy. ONly BIG companies are immune.
It's not killing a damn
It's not killing a damn thing. This is a system that has worked for America for CENTURIES. The only thing killing us is those big companies, taking what made America great and shipping it overseas so they don't have to endure the "cost" of fire-extinguishing systems and proper escape routes from the buildings.
This system at the same time
This system at the same time has prevented our economy from blossoming and recovering. Paying hundreds and thousands of dollars for permission from the government to start a business not to mention jumping through hoops strangles most small business to begin with. In Louisiana for example, florisists have to pay nearly a thousand dollars for a business permit and a license. They have to go through an exam board thats run by big floriculture companies and they tend to automatically fail the little guy in order to prevent compitition. Its totally unncesary to require a license unless they are going to make a floral arrangement using some toxic very rare flower that no one else uses. The whole purpose is to prevent compitition for big business and it contributes to the recesion. It wasnt until libertarians in the GOP came down and got rid of it and floral businesses have increased 54% percent. That equals new jobs, new revenue ETC. It would never have been possible if the liberal socialists had been allowed to continue this ridiculous job killing system. Sadly many states have similar systems.
And how do you run a small
And how do you run a small business if all your money you were going to use to build it were spent on fees? If you are homeless and have no ID and money how do you get a job or an ID?
You have zero idea how a
You have zero idea how a business gets started or is managed.
Even the homeless can get IDs... but the greater problem is, most businesses won't hire you unless you have a street address, unless it's for jobs that illegals have already filled.
And how may I ask do the
And how may I ask do the homeless get IDs without money or anything else?
You can get state IDs for
You can get state IDs for free.
There are very few places
There are very few places you can get a free state ID. A few cities give out vouchers but you still need a birth certificate or some other form of ID to get the ID. And that costs money! Another example of government socialist failure. Requiring payment for permission to work while being PC and letting illegals in to steal jobs.
I believe it's a well
I believe it's a well illustrated cartoon. However, this illustrator is obviously brain washed by the hype of Obamacare. This bill may seem good and wholesome, but in reality, it's a death sentence. Now, millions of people who are in the middle and lower class are going to have to suffer and pay for the uninsured. Call us greedy and evil, but would you want to pay for some bum who hasn't seen a doctor in his life? If your child gets sick, do you honestly believe that you are covered? Well, they aren't. Instead, they may have to wait a few hours or maybe even days to see a doctor because everyone will want to see the doctors. Also, you seemed to leave out the part about a 40% surplus tax on everyone? Unless your "art" is very well known and a lot of people like to buy your work, I suggest you getting another job...because taxes will keep going up, and the government's control will sky rocket as well. Sorry to break it to you, Skippy.
I guess you don't realize
I guess you don't realize that people without insurance who get sick or hurt go to emergency rooms which are certainly the most expensive way to get health care. Who do you think pays for that service?
The taxpayer, that's who! Health care in this country costs more than it should because we don't have universal health care. The health care bill would actually save money and make us more competitive with other countries.
I suppose you want to forgo medicare too.
This bill IS good and
This bill IS good and wholesome. I'm in the middle class in Canada where everyone has health coverage and I'm doin' a-ok. People aren't mad rushing to the doctor's office all the time either. Emergency cases are served as priority at the hospital. You say the healthcare system has worked in America for centuries? Uhmmmmm..... how come all my friends in the states have to start online auctions to pay for their health bills when they... await a bone marrow transplant for a relapse of leukemia? Ooooor.... when their son goes into a coma and they are attempting to bring him back to full consciousness? Yeah... you do sound a little greedy...
"If your child gets sick, do
"If your child gets sick, do you honestly believe that you are covered? Well, they aren't. Instead, they may have to wait a few hours or maybe even days to see a doctor because everyone will want to see the doctors."
Wow. Just wow.
You have no compassion. You have no understanding of how the medical situation is now for most Americans. You have no understanding of how close you are to the edge.
Good luck, Skippy.
I do not agree. First
I do not agree.
First problem : not enough doctors.
Second problem : health care not based on need.
Sickness and death are part of life, and we should, I think, be empathetic of our neighbors as we would want them to be empathetic of us.
In other words I have to
In other words I have to give my money to someone unwilling to go to work who is able bodied to help them be lazy.
I have worked full time
I have worked full time since I was 17. I am now 36. In 19 years I only had insurance for about 25% of that time. Come to think of it, my whole family has worked hard for years, and we still have to fight (and often lose) to get care we can afford.
You know what I think about people who say "I have to give my money to someone unwilling to go to work who is able bodied to help them be lazy"? That they have never been in a tight spot, never lived poor, and somehow think that poor people deserve to be poor or they simply would not be that way. You sound like one of those people. Maybe one day people like you will be educated on what it is really like...brace yourself, it won't be an easy lesson to learn.
I HAVE been in a tight spot
I HAVE been in a tight spot before. I lost my job after it was outsource. You know what happened when I turned to the state?
They looked the other way. They put me on the back burner and catered to welfare queens, illegal aliens, drug addicts and other losers who would rather sit in their taxpayer funded housing and not work. By the time they got to me, they were rude and didnt help. I had to rely on charity to get by.
What part of lazy able bodied and refuse to work do you not understand? Yeah thats for the other guy below who brought up the recesion as well. That is why are economy is a wreck. The government is running out of other people's money and the majority of welfare recipients wont quit their slacking.
What part of "massive
What part of "massive unemployment" and "no jobs available" and "manufacturing jobs gutted and shipped overseas" don't you comprehend?
Sorry to break it to you,
Sorry to break it to you, but they're already paying for the uninsured. They're paying in increased premiums if they already have insurance, and they're paying in the sky-high cost of healthcare that drives them into bankruptcy when a loved one gets ill.
I would like for you to find the "40% surplus tax" in writing; seems to me that would be news, at least reporting that opponents are talking about it, but I can't seem to find it anywhere... Maybe because it's fiction?
Who cares about death
Who cares about death panels? this bill will kill our nation and our middleclass and it wont even provide healthcare coverage for all! Not only that it mandates health insurance be purchased even if it can't be afforded!
Who cares if it does entail death panels? We might as well all be dead.
Wow, what horsecrap. If
Wow, what horsecrap. If America is weak enough to be killed by this bill, then we deserve to die. Just let Canada and Mexico take over and meet in the middle. Sadly for your hyperbole, that's not the case, and no amount of your factless maundering will make it so.
READ! MANDATORY INSURANCE!
READ! MANDATORY INSURANCE! YOU CANT PAY IT? TOUGH! YOU GO TO JAIL! JUST LIKE IN MASSACHUSETTES!
WE CANT AFFORD IT!
ya right, but you can afford
ya right, but you can afford internet connections and cable and cars and vacations and new clothes and eating out and i-phones
Not for long After this.
Not for long After this.
No jail, but more taxes,
No jail, but more taxes, $750
READ! FINES CHEAPER THAN
READ! FINES CHEAPER THAN INSURANCE! YOU PAY, YOU NO GO JAIL!
Last I checked, Massachusetts (the correct spelling) isn't piling people into jail for this stuff... and having lived there, I can tell you that there's plenty of "lower-end" incomes there.
WE CAN AFFORD IT! SEE I CAN YELL JUST AS WELL AS YOU CAN, EXCPET I HAVE FACTS ON MY SIDE AND ALL YOU HAVE IS YELLING!
That's what the liberals
That's what the liberals told us about mandatory car insurance. Like the health care mandate will be (and is in Massachusetts) It is a disaster and proof of the failure of unfree markets and socialism. Car insurance is now more expensive since people are forced to purchase it therefore companies have no incentive to lower prices but continualy jack them up.
Also, in states like Georgia, not having car insurance is a serious crime. 30 to 60 days in jail if you dont have it. I think they have similar laws in other states as well.
The result is that 1/3 of all motorists do not have car insurance. This is primarily because of poverty most of which is brought about from environmentalist protection laws. So much for socialism.
If you think that they are going to leave the homeless and working poor alone and not lock them in prison for not having health insurance regardless if they can afford it or not, you are mistaken. Eventually all citizens WILL be forced to have health insurance, or go to jail even if they are poor. The insurance companies BTW not to mention public insurance will still be able to rip you off and deny you life saving care because you failed to mention you sneezed in 1993 just like they do in Maine and Britain.
Lower end incomes, they get
Lower end incomes, they get welfare anyway. But middle class suffers and is running to Low tax New Hampshire. You don't have insurance they make you pay a 1000$ fine. Its tyranny. Only the CEOS of the insurance companies thrive
Actually, the fine is a lot
Actually, the fine is a lot higher than that. And after 1 year if you still cant afford insurance it increases even more.
Are there nothing but
Are there nothing but uneducated people on this forum? A $1,000 fine is way lower than the cost of a year's worth of health insurance. The government is offering a tax credit in order to pay for the insurance. There's no 40% tax. In regards to paying for the uninsured, we do that every single time we have a hospital bill. Hospitals raise their rates to pay for those they've treated and from whom received no payment. If everyone is covered, the cost of insurance can go down, along with hospital bills.
I want you to tell that to
I want you to tell that to my uncle, who was a thriving businessman who unfortunately couldn't get insurance in good ole Kentucky because of a pre-existing condition. Be sure to yell real loud, though; it's hard to hear through 6ft. of earth, which is where he is after the money ran out. You wanna talk about people on welfare? The outrageous cost of healthcare without insurance is putting more people on it every day, especially from the middle-class you pretend to care so much about.
We used to have Christian
We used to have Christian charities in this country that would take care of hardship cases like your uncle. But liberals told everyone that God was dead the church wasn't relevant and they didnt have to pay 10% of their incomes to the church anymore. Instead they relied on the state. And now look what we have. Disaster. In Europe, they probably would have turned your uncle away anyway.
The health care bill takes
The health care bill takes 25 million from saftey net hospitals that serve the homeless and indignant. Millions will still have no coverage and the HMOs are bigger and evil than ever.
Those who think that the law
Those who think that the law will cost too much don't take account of the misery and and the staggeringly immense lost wealth (overwhelmingly, lost by the poor) that that we suffer now as a result of untreated illness. The law will go a great way toward curing that, not to mention the benefit of the multiplier effect of the increased spending.
Why don't those on the left
Why don't those on the left who condemn the new law understand that given all that O needed to do early in his term, single-payer would not have passed now? This compromised law barely passed! Fight on, friends, but don't be cynical!
True. Single Payer wouldn't
True. Single Payer wouldn't have made it through. But in a few years, with this out there proving that the government can regulate a wildly out of control industry into a less wildy out of control industry, the prospect becomes quite a bit more realistic. It's funny though, how many conservatives think this bill makes Obama a socialist when it is categorically and by all definitions the American version of democratic capitalism; regulating existing business. The modern conservative misdefinition of socialism could be used to describe our founding fathers. The very same ones who created the US Patent Office (new tax funded department) whose job it was to regulate the most private aspect of the private sector, the very idea that they capitalize on. Oddly though, they didn't think people should own their own original works forever. Instead, they thought the natural process would be free use by anyone unless you went to the government and got special permission to have otherwise. Our founding fathers weren't libertarians, they weren't even anti-government, and they used single payers when single payers worked best.
Putting Michael Moore in the
Putting Michael Moore in the cartoon was a nice touch.
Perhaps to help Mr. Dan out
Perhaps to help Mr. Dan out with his side of the argument:
Poll: Doctor Exodus
A buddy of mine thanks you for the laugh at the Dogboyian $148-billion-reduction-in-the-deficit comment. The same contention was tossed around here in Canada in 1946. Healthcare is now about 45% of our Federal budget.
Props for supporting the bill on compassionate grounds, but I beseech you not to discount the very real cost of insuring 30 million formerly-uninsured people.
- COTO
P.S. With your enduring proclivity for killing off Mr. Dan in unusual ways, I stand by my earlier thesis that these toons are stylized reenactments of arguments between you and your father.
I took at that exodus
I took at that exodus link.
There is no link, nor grounding in the title of the article that I saw, and the author does not identify hi, or herself. It is not a sound source.
The article does talk about need for good doctors from the best and the brightest.
Med school is expensive and perhaps overly exclusive. The number of slots per year is decided in advance. I believe we could expand the class sizes without loss of quality, and an ambitious financial support for to be doctors.
The deal for doctors has changed. I'll bet that in the long run, we can have more dedicated doctors to the new deal than we lose to attrition in the old deal.
The cost is not a line item
The cost is not a line item on the budget.
Each citizen pays his or her health insurance.
I see your in Canada. You can come to the states now ;)
> You can come to the states
> You can come to the states now
I have a lot of family in the US.
...at least until Uncle Sam goes completely broke.
New projections on the next debt ceiling breach are 8 months, rather the the original 13.
Yields on the long end of the Treasury curve are skyrocketing.
A quarter of the mortgages in the country are near default.
Combined social security, medicaid/medicare and state liabilities have now exceed the $120 trillion mark.
www.usdebtclock.org
Thanks but no thanks.
Mr Fiore, please do a
Mr Fiore, please do a cartoon about the REAL facts about this evil bill. Its not universal health insruance like in Britain and scandanavia but mandatory insruance and other gimicks just like what Mitt Romney (R) gave us in Massachusettes.
Forced health insurance, forced car insurance, its all the same thing. In the end the poor get screwed and the cost keeps rising.
It is unconstitutional for the government to force you to buy something you don't want and/or can't afford. Now that insurance is mandatory, the companies have no incentives to lower prices. Costs eventually go up. Just like w/mandatory car insurance. Furthermore, the bill takes money away from saftey net heospitals (about 25Mil$) and means that those who WONT be insured will have it even worse.
PLEASE! Research the facts! This will do more harm than good! Only the big insurance companies will benefit from this unjust bill! WE NEED REAL UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE NOT WEALTHCARE FOR THE INSRUANCE COMPANIES!!
I love Dogboy and Mr.
I love Dogboy and Mr. Dan!
But I agree with the comments that this law sucks.
Obama and the Dems sold us out to the insurance industry.
Still, I enjoyed the poking fun at the Foxholes. They like me are opposed to the bill, but for completely different reasons.
Dems are gonna lose big next election for having sold out all the people who thought they were voting for real change.
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