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Your right..if the health

Your right..if the health reform passes..insurance companies will keep raising the prices like Mass.

Oh wait, we all aren't Mass.! Yay! And the government is for the people..so I'm sure if we can pass the health reform bill, we can limit how much insurance companies charge -___-

And if the insurance companies go broke..booohooo :( I guess they'll have to trade in their BMWs for Hondas..Awww :( but hey at least I won't be denied for pre- existing conditions :)

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You're dreaming. Of course

You're dreaming. Of course the government is for the people which is why it is confiscating their bank accounts, forcing them to buy things they can't afford and using eminent domain to take away their homes.

we can limit how much insurance companies charge -___-

Thats what they said about mandatory auto insruance. That hasn't happened.

Government for the people used to mean a government that was kept in check and reduced to microscopic size.

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america is a republic not a

america is a republic not a Democracy run by 51% what thomas Jefferson refered to as the tyranny of the majority or 2 wolves and a lamb voting on what's for supper. any wonder Liberals support this trite?

In Republics, the great danger is, that the majority may not sufficiently respect the rights of the minority”
James Madison

"Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself."
John Adams

Without morals a republic cannot subsist any length of time; they therefore who are decrying the Christian religion, whose morality is so sublime and pure (and) which insures to the good eternal happiness, are undermining the solid foundation of morals, the best security for the duration of free governments."
Charles Carroll, signer of the Declaration of Independence

Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!"
Benjamin Franklin

"Freedom is not a gift bestowed upon us by other men, but a right that belongs to us by the laws of God and nature."
Benjamin Franklin

Man will ultimately be governed by God or by tyrants."
Benjamin Franklin

The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government -- lest it come to dominate our lives and interests."
Patrick Henry

Don't remember you saying

Don't remember you saying that back when Bush was in charge.

So true, and horrifying.

So true, and horrifying. This is exactly the kind of rhetoric the GOP uses as a scare tactic against the American people. I hope you keep blasting them for what they're doing!

- Jeff from NJ solar

If all those guys who claim

If all those guys who claim to know the constitution had actually read it ...
Ah, well. It's much easier to make things up and ignore the parts you don't like.

Goodness me, you Americans

Goodness me, you Americans are funny.

We've had universal health care here in the UK (or "Socialist Healthcare" as you appear to be calling it) for 60 years now.

We're doing very well too, thank you. And we're joined by all the other Western democracies, except for one obvious omission.

What are you really afraid of? Come and join the party! It's warm in here and full of friends.

Here to in australia, the

Here to in australia, the propensity of Americans to restrict access to healthcare based on ability to pay smacks of te same eugenetics programs (developed in America in the 20 and 30's)that were adopted by a certain other nation in the 40's.

Some states actually HAVE

Some states actually HAVE health care for the poor already IE: Mainecare, Medical, CHIP Hawkeye ET AL

I was actually denied coverage by Maine care and became homeless for a year even though supposidly that is not supposed to happen. Thanks Big Government & socialism!

Democracy Equals the tyranny

Democracy Equals the tyranny of the majority

The alternative is tyranny

The alternative is tyranny of the minority.

Democracy is two wolves and

Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!"
Benjamin Franklin

If I recall the left had a

If I recall the left had a fit when the people of California voted to ban gay marriage. The left whined that voters limited peoples rights. Apparently the left are not up in arms with reguards to Socilist healthcare which WILL limit rights.

America is a republic not a Democracy. Those that want socialism can move to China.

republicans have already

republicans have already sold America to China.We won't have to move

Excuse me America IS a

Excuse me America IS a Democracy and magority wins in a democracy..I guess there is no educating people in a teabag society is there. Do you even know what socialism is? NOTHING about health care reform changes our country except it saves lifes..Decent people don't mind saving lives.

So if the majority of

So if the majority of americans suddenly want to kill people of certain race creed belief system ETC that make it okay then? It does in Democracy.

America is a republic (rule by law)

I'm sorry America is a

I'm sorry America is a Representative Republic not a Democracy. This is a good site that explains the differences and why our founders choose a Republic over a Democracy

http://www.lexrex.com/enlightened/AmericanIdeal/aspects/demrep.html

Its a long read so I'll summarize the difference

Democracy:

The chief characteristic and distinguishing feature of a Democracy is: Rule by Omnipotent Majority. In a Democracy, The Individual, and any group of Individuals composing any Minority, have no protection against the unlimited power of The Majority. It is a case of Majority-over-Man.

Republic

A Republic, on the other hand, has a very different purpose and an entirely different form, or system, of government. Its purpose is to control The Majority strictly, as well as all others among the people, primarily to protect The Individual’s God-given, unalienable rights and therefore for the protection of the rights of The Minority, of all minorities, and the liberties of people in general. The definition of a Republic is: a constitutionally limited government of the representative type, created by a written Constitution--adopted by the people and changeable (from its original meaning) by them only by its amendment--with its powers divided between three separate Branches: Executive, Legislative and Judicial. Here the term "the people" means, of course, the electorate.

To put it bluntly, a democracy is unquestioned/challanged majority rule. A republic is ment to protect the minoritiy from opression by the majority thus why we have a constitution. Prehaps that explains better why the "tea baggers" as you so maturely put it, have issue with how this health care bill has been handled.

What rights will we

What rights will we lose?

The right not to get ripped off?

The right to not die because a CEO is gunning for a bigger bonus?

I think we can live without those "rights"

We will lose our lives, our

We will lose our lives, our liberty and our property if this goes through.

First, its not universal heatlhcare its MANDATORY care. In other words YOU must buy a expensive insurance plan or you get fined or jailed. Just like In Massachusettes

second, Like in Britain and Scandanavia there will be mantatory mental healthcare meaning that if the psychiatrist takes Mike savages wisdom to heart, you could be locked away in an institution for life because you are deemed mentally unfit to live. Not only that, you will be force to take strong meds that will limit your abilities and judgement, you will be forced into things you dont want ETC

third, its too expensive and it WILL bankrupt this country.

I defy you to name one

I defy you to name one person in jail for not buying insurance in Mass. Or you can just keep spouting the plutocrat message in lieu of facts.

Currently you are forced to

Currently you are forced to pay a fine of 1000$ the first year even if you cant afford and it goes up to $2500 the following year. Even if you can't afford it. The Democrats in Boston don't care if you wind up on the streets or if your family business goes bankrupt. The greater good matters. Eventually howver, jail sentences WILL result.

In the state of Georgia, its a 30 day jail sentence for driving without car insurance. Even if you can't afford it and are on the verge of homelessness. The liberals gave us that too y'know. I believe there are 2 or 3 other states that put you in prison for not having car insurance.

Eventually just like Georgia and other places put people in jail for having no insurance, not having health insurance will result in a jail sentence. The liberals don't care if you wind up in a card board box either. I also believe the government will include low income and poor families under that mandate as well eventually. Thats what happens everytime we depend on the state.

You have zero facts on your

You have zero facts on your side.

Yes, it's mandatory... just like car insurance, and for much better reason. You get sick/injured, you get treatment... and unless you have insurance, the cost is passed on to those of us who have it, like all responsible adults should.

You are so full of horseshit here it's not even funny. There is no mental health requirement, and I challenge you to prove there is. But you won't, because you know you're full of -------.

What's too expensive is leaving the aging population's care costs all on Medicare and Medicaid, which is what happens if reform doesn't happen NOW. But you don't care about that, do you, you just care about political points based on lies.

You sicken me.

When mandatory car insurance

When mandatory car insurance became law, many americans, most of whom were poor could no longer afford to own an automobile which prevented them from travelling to their jobs. This is bad in cities that do not have public transportation.

Since you do not have a choice whether or not to buy car insurance or health insurance, companies have no incentives to keep the cost down and gradually increase their prices forcing consumers to pay up their noses. New Hampshire is the only state that does not have mandatory insurance. And it has the lowest insurance costs in the country. And unlike most states they dont tax insurance either.

After Massachusetts mandated healthcare, premiums have increased every year. Last year, the cost of insurance premiums went up 8%. Its expected to go up again this year. Why? No one has a freedom to choose anymore. You MUST pay for health insurance. Insurance companies are free to hike their prices without losing customers since the government is forcing them to BE customers.

I am a liberal progressive

I am a liberal progressive and I am against this fraud healthcare scam. Its not like Europe its just like In Massachusettes!

Forcing people like me to buy health insurance is subsidizing the wealthy. No thanks. Im poor enough as it is after 8 yrs of Bush.

So in other words, families

So in other words, families that can't afford health insurance must pay for it anyway and wind up homeless or go to jail? This is typical liberal fascism. No wonder our economy is a mess. And the CEOS will be living it even better while WE GET POORER! THANKS A LOT OBAMA!

im totally with you

im totally with you

So, you'll bitch if

So, you'll bitch if healthcare reform passes on a thin margin... but not when a civil rights violation is? Let me get you a time machine; you belong in the Italy-Germany region, circa the 1930s-40s.

So what if 66% of Americans

So what if 66% of Americans want to make it illegal for blacks (who make of 13% of the population BTW) To go to school or learn to read? What if 66% of Americans want to ban guns and ban free speech and free press?

America is a republic (rule of law) Not a Democracy (Mob rule) Even if the vast majority of Americans wanted fascism to be the political system, that still would not be allowed.

Hopefully the amendments we have in place namely the 2nd amendment will be sufficient to prevent this should 66% decide they want fascism.

So um, you do know that we

So um, you do know that we have a process for banning guns/racist laws, right? There are Constitutional amendments that prohibit both of those things, so regardless of a majority, simple or super, that's not all you would have to have in order to take away guns or the rights of minorities. You would have to go through the entire amendment process.

Isn't it nice to know fifth grade social studies?

John Adams on America's 21st

John Adams on America's 21st Century Problems
"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate tothe government of any other."

I'm really tired of

I'm really tired of individuals dropping the "fascist" label on groups of people - especially when they have no clue as to what facism actually is.
In a nutshell, facism is when corporate and government ideologies meet. Government becomes the enabler for the the profit motive - above all else. Unions are usually crushed or controlled by the corporate elite.
Sound familar?
Looks like we are already careening toward a facist state, doesn't it?

Well, you've read the

Well, you've read the dictionary definition of fascism and misunderstood it. The "corporatism" referred to in it's definition doesn't mean "corporations" as in big businesses, it means "bodies" as in government bodies that tightly control trade and production. In fact, the word comes the Italian word "corpo" which means body. Has the same root as corporation, but the meaning is entirely different.

Fascism is a type of centrally planned socialism that allows private ownership of production, but tightly regulates the businesses and trade unions involved. Fascism also has a strong nationalistic component, and, taken to the extreme, is racist in nature, as we saw with Nazi Germany. The fascists saw their ideology as being the middle path between the evils of both communism and capitalism.

What you're talking about is an oligarchy. Fascism sounds better when you're trying to insult someone or provide some sort of guilt by association with the evils of Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy, but it's pretty much almost always used incorrectly these days.

Wrong. Fascism is when

Wrong. Fascism is when government controls how you live your life IE: Orwell.

I tried to put up a link to

I tried to put up a link to this on Facebook and was denied.

"Warning: This Message Contains Blocked Content
Some content in this message has been reported as abusive by Facebook users."

I wasn't denied, worked fine

I wasn't denied, worked fine for me.

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Good day, I would like to

Good day,

I would like to know if there is a way to have access to the animated cartoons you did before July 8, 2009 (this is the earliest I can access to as of today).

Thank you in advance for your answer, and keep up the good work!

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This is one of the many

This is one of the many things I'd like to change about the site. You're right, there is only a fairly-recent supply of cartoons, the older ones disappear into a hidden archive. It's just a design thing I need to fix in the next redesign-- making the older ones accessible and adding categories. If there's a specific one you're looking for, I can send you a link. (Granted, not a very efficient way to go about this :-)

Thanks,

-MF

The only reason Obamarama

The only reason Obamarama got elected is because there was no alternative. Obama or McSame as obama. It was a vote of no confidence

Democracy is two wolves and

Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting for what to have for lunch. And that is with a 66% majority. While the founding fathers left detailed instructions on how to pass laws, they also left a narrow range of what kind of laws could be enacted. Taking over medical care was not something Congress has the constitutional authority to do even with a unanimous vote.
By all means, pass it. It will speed the collapse of a system that has become corrupt at its very core. If the survivors are lucky, it will be replaced with something better.

It is sad how uneducated

It is sad how uneducated teabaggers are.

"general welfare" look it up.

What is ironic is according to you nimrods the Internet should not have been funded by the federal government because nowhere in the Constitution is the Internet mentioned...

If it's Republicans.... 51%

If it's Republicans.... 51% = CLEAR MANDATE

If it's Democrats .... 51% = Must not pass

If I recall, Dems had a fit

If I recall, Dems had a fit half a decade ago when the GOP took over congress and the senate.

And rightfully so... it's

And rightfully so... it's those decades of Republican legislature and most of a decade of a Republican president that has put us here.

Bulls-eye! thx mt

Bulls-eye!

thx
mt

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The new animation is up and

The new animation is up and running. (Special thanks, as usual, to John Taylor for his excellent voice work.)

What do you think of that whole sneaky "majority rule" thing?

-MF

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Incidentally, doesn't

Incidentally, doesn't "special thanks, as usual" become "customary thanks"?

My own chronic thanks goes out to Mr. Taylor. ;)

admin's picture

As usual, good point, COTO!

As usual, good point, COTO! I've been wanting to add credits to the animations themselves so John Taylor gets his due. (Credits would be fairly short, though-- Voice acting: John Taylor, Everything else: Mark Fiore.)

-MF

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I wish you wouldn't flip

I wish you wouldn't flip sides on the issue when majority rule applied to tossing out gay 'marriage'.

But to be fair, you've never directly endorsed the legal finaglings of the California Supreme Court to get around majority rule. More of an 'enemy of my enemy' thing.

Let's all agree that 51% is 51%. (Already I see the platitudinous 'Democracy is sheep and wolves...' crowd beginning to swarm.)

I thought we worked out the

I thought we worked out the principle in the last civil war that civil rights may not be determined by majority rule. If a majority were to deny any of your rights they could hear you scream in Patagonia. Your principle only works when we're voting on someones rights beside yours. Quite a different issue than how to bring down the cost of health care.

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The ability to call

The ability to call homosexual unions 'marriage' isn't a civil right.

Personally, I don't consider state-sanctioned civil unions to be a universal human right either, but I'm accepting of civil unions as a sterile legal instrument.

> If a majority were to deny any of your rights they could hear you scream in Patagonia. Your principle only works when we're voting on someones rights beside yours.

Maybe I feel it's my right to smear feces on my face and walk naked through your hometown.

If the majority denied me that right, I'd be screaming to Patagonia about it. But I doubt you'd contest the ruling of the tyrannical majority in that case.

My 'principle' works when 51%+ of the nation agrees with me.

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