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WHoever wrote all that crap

WHoever wrote all that crap below about reducing gun dealers. Dream on. They can get their weapons from international dealers and make them in garages which I might add, contrary to the bogus statistics mentioned is the real source of guns in Mexico. Not the USA. If guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns. Regardless where they come from.

1.Alot More Smaller 01

1.Alot More Smaller 01 Retailer Gun Dealers Units need to be reduced too! Let"s cut it down to: (25,315) 01 Dealers in the U.S.A. too! There is 50,630 01 F.F.L.s Dealers Retailers in U.S.A. Store Fronts

1. We meed to , cut down the

1. We meed to , cut down the large Numbers of smaller Gun Dealers too! Near the mexican & U.S. Border too! California,New Mexico,Arzona,Texas, State too! is the 2000 mile Mexican Border too! agreed! 10,000 + 10,000 + 5000 + too 01 Smaller Gun Dealers to Reduced thgen too! most of them are; smaller 01 Retailer Gun Dealers selling Firearms, Longguns,Rifles,shotguns,is used by 4473 form too! Handguns& Revolvers are a Family Presession only by the 50 States Residents only too! Semipistals,Revolvers only sold to U.S. Citizens of the 50 States too! only too! This is a Federal Law,& 50 State Law is only be sold to State Residents of U.S.Citizens in U.S.A. too!! Not Mexicans Illegal Alliens of 15,000,000 & Central,South Americans not U.S. Citizens of the U.s. ia a Federal Crime Violation too! It can get them deported back towards Mexico Country then handed to Mexican Police Athorities to be arrested and put in Jail for life too! The Mexican Druges into U.S. Illegalley too! Don"t want to U.S Citizens at all too! They want to Distroyed U.S, Citizens by getting them on Druges too! By doing that They can take over the hold U.S.A. With firing a shot Across The U.S. Border too! They will almost suscced in there goal to Kill Americams Citizens Are born in the U.s.a. in Fifty States too!!! Workers & Dealers will be excuted too! by the Mexican Courts of Jistice is a death Sentance too! For Druge Dealers &KingPins Whole Dealers Distribors as well too! Arested An Tried and Found Giulty By Mexican Court of law &jury by its peers Familes Were Hurt By the Druge Smugglers Criminals of white Collar &Blue Caller Crime is world Wide issued too! Drugs Smuggers of Aisa, Eurpean Nations Afercia Arabs Nations how hate American Citizens of a Free People is the First Nation of Freedem U.s.Groverment By the People & for the Free People How saffered in Nations Counties not Free Nations too! true ! They came to the U.S to be Free People too! True!! I would think about it for a minute too! To decided to go back to the old nation of Unfreed Nations Prime Ministers ,By Kings Or Qeens Monarks people in power too! True!!!!!!!!

1. We need to tell the

1. We need to tell the Regular F.F.L.s Dealers they Can"t Applyed fo Import & Export Licences of 08 & N.F.A. Licence is 011 too! Been cancel it not Giving theses Application out for now too! We should tell the Druge Carteals Groops of Mexico Workes to:Illegals Alliens of other Counties are Living in: 50 States they can"t Buy any Firearms With there Green Gard the Number is on the Card is not: to used to buy Firearms & N.F.A. Permit of class-03 owners purchused any auto"matic Weapons is no more is Stopped by the A. T.F. of U.S.A. too! The Criminals Illegal Alliens in the U.S.A, will be arested with out question too! by all Police, of towns, TownsShips,Cities, of fifty States too! By the Sherifis Depts of all Counties too! All State Plice, or the Highway Patroll of some States too! Or the U.S Marchalla or the F.B.I. too! Imgration Police Agents to will Arrest them as well too! Central America, South America , Aisa ,Arabs States, Aferica States Nations Triing to Distroyed The U.S.A. as well too! We Americans are the Targets of the Cross hares in a Rifle Scope of a Smiper Rifle of Emenies of Nations of other Counties don"t Like us our way of Life of a Free People Liberity Lady Statide in New York City, With a Torch of Freedom Mation is Good U.S.A too! True! Solution is: The Arozona Law is a Good Law For Illegals Alliens Like to Break out Way of life in the U.S.A too! The First at all! English is offical in #1st in line too! Spanished is rated 2nd in line in the U.S.A too! agreed! We should Arrested the Smugglers Mexicos ofv the Organized Mexico Criminala are in the U.S. to take over the 50 States or t6he hold U.S.A as Television Movie is Red DAWN THE iSSUED TOO! TRUE!!!! WAKE UP AMERICAMS cITIZENS OF 50 STATES IN ALL OF THE U.S.A. Too! It could happer in our country of Quite Ivasion of Foreign Troops Will Take the U.S.A. County over Real Quick too! It could Happen real fast an Quick too!!!!

1. The Number of Gun Dealers

1. The Number of Gun Dealers in the U.S. Now is Around (6000)01 & State Licences with all F.F.L.s Dealers too! The FiFty States Cap No# Limit is per Fifty States Maxium Cap Limit is(130) 01 F.F.l.s too! Solution:is There will be not as many smaller 01 F.F.L.s Holders of smaller Gun Busineses to when time goes by too! This will help the Cities, Townships, Towns, in 50 States too! The F.F.L.s Applications of (01, Retailers GunDealers & 08 is Import & Export Dealers as well too! The State Licences will be:" harder to get applications from the U.S. Treasury of the U.S. Groverment Office of the A.T.F. will harder rules for Foreign Immergrates of Foreign Counties do buy an Gun with a Green Card to the U.S. Groverment done before!Now they will Change that Regulations say no they can"t Any Guns If they are not U.S Citizens at all. too! They will be Denied of the Request too! They don"t Extra Rights over the U.S.Citizens are Borned in the U.S.A too! Agreed! Rulling still Stands today in the Supreme Court of the U.S.A. Too!! Ageed!!!! The Law still Stands today too! In 2010 A.D too!! It Starts With the Mexico Immergrants of Mexico & other Counties as well too! agreed!! Let"s do it Now!! Agreed!!! too! Reason is: Crime & Druges & Guns are Roberies from Street Gangs GS-13 other Gangs just as dangerios to the Law Abiding U.S. Citizens are born in the U.S.A. too! agreed!!! PROBLEM is: Illegal Immergrates of Mexico in the U.S. is 12 Millon + alot more comming from other Counties as well too! true!! We need to cut down the number of Smaller Gun Dealers,GunShops,Sporting Gun Shops , Pawn Shops & Gun Shops 01 F.F.L.s & State Licences is issued by the Sherifis Dept. Counties of the States you Live in too! agreed!! There will be fewer Handguns not on the Streets is no more too! By Town. Township, Cities Police Depsrtments, Or by the Counties Sherifis Dept. , State Police, Or the State Highway Patrolled Police too! Agreed! They are call Crime Stoppers Preventing Street, Or Highway Crime; to om Interstate U.S.Highways too! True!!

Decline in Gun Dealers: in

Decline in Gun Dealers: in U.S.A !! 1. There is about near count of 5000 01 F.F.L.s to 6000 01 F.F.L.s Store Fronts & lot Busineses too! true! im Texas ,Arizonia New Mexico, California too! $ state butt up Agents U.S. Border & Mwxico Border is 2000 miles lenth too! There are"t that many Gun Dealers 01 F.F.L.s holders too! The cap limit is per 50 States too! Is 100 F.F.L.s Miniun of Maxium of Limit is (120) to per 50 States too! Agreed!

Firearms refresher course a.

Firearms refresher course

a. An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject.

b. A gun in the hand is better than a cop on the phone.

c. Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface.

d. Gun control is not about guns; it's about control.

e. If guns are outlawed, can we use swords?

f. If guns cause crime, then pencils cause misspelled words.

g. Free men do not ask permission to bear arms.

h. If you don't know your rights you don't have any.

i. Those who trade liberty for security have neither.

j. The United States Constitution ) 1791. All Rights Reserved.

k. What part of "shall not be infringed" do you not understand ?

l. The Second Amendment is in place in case they ignore the others.

m. 64,999,987 firearms owners killed no one yesterday.

n. Guns only have two enemies: Rust and Politicians.

o. Know guns, know peace and safety. No guns, no peace nor safety.

p. You don't shoot to kill; you shoot to stay alive.

q. 911 - government sponsored Dial a Prayer.

r. Assault is a behavior, not a device.

s. Criminals love gun control - it makes their jobs safer.

t. If Guns cause Crime, then Matches cause Arson.

u. Only a government that is afraid of it's citizens try to control them.

v. You only have the rights you are willing to fight for.

w. Enforce the "gun control laws" we have, don't make more.

x. When you remove the people's right to bear arms, you create slaves.

y. The American Revolution would never have happened with Gun Control.

z. "...a government by the people, for the people..."

Here's a short blurb about

Here's a short blurb about crime rates and gun violence both here and south of the border, originally posted on a Mexican firearms forum by yours truly (a Mexican):

El numero de asesinatos per capita es mayor en Mexico que en los EEUU (2.3 veces mayor), pero hay que tomar en cuenta que los asesinatos con arma de fuego en Mexico son en 20% de los crimenes totales, mientras en los EEUU son el 22%. Asumiendo que los narcotraficantes son el sector criminal mas fuertemente armado en Mexico y por consiguiente el mas propenso a usar armas de fuego en asesinatos, el crimen excluyendo armas de fuego en Mexico es aun 2.4 veces mayor. Asi que, aun atribuyendole el 100% de los asesinatos con armas de fuego al narcotrafico, el numero de homicidios excluyendo armas de fuego en Mexico, es enormemente mayor que en los EEUU aun incluyendo armas de fuego ahi: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Mexico

Ahora, hay que recordar que el total de crimenes sin reportar en Mexico es mucho mayor que en los EEUU (el doble, se estima), asi que el numero de crimenes total, aun excluyendo homicidio, es aun muchisimo mas alto en Mexico.

I hope that your Spanish is not too rusty. In short, it explains how even if we subtract the incidence of gun violence entirely out of the equation, or attribute it exclusively to narcoterror, murder and violent crime in Mexico is still considerably higher, per capita, than in the US. Sorry to burst your bubble, but the per-capita violent crime and murder rates seem to indicate that crime does not correlate to the amount of guns in a society. Cultural and economic factors do. In the case of Mexico, violence, including gun violence is a SYMPTOM of deep societal problems. Guns are not the cause.

You seem to be clueless about these societal problems and their underlying causes. Not surprisingly, you rather parrot official Mexican government propaganda because attempting to actually understand the problem would require effort. It would require that you respect your neighbors to the south enough to have the decency of actually engaging in proper research rather than producing bigotted, stereotypical and deeply ignorant cartoons.

I am sorry that this cartoon

I am sorry that this cartoon has offended you, I personally don't see any bigotry or ignorant cartoons in my opinion. With regards to the current mexican government, in a recent article by Charles Bowden (Charles Bowden, author and journalist based in Tucson, Arizona, who has been extensively covering the human consequences of Mexico’s drug war)
he says the following: "There have been hundreds of complaints in Chihuahua alone filed against the army on human rights grounds. Emilio Gutiérrez Soto, a reporter, is seeking political asylum, because the Mexican army is trying to kill him. And he has to keep moving in this country because of threats.
What the US government is doing is pretending the Mexican army is some partner in some war against drugs. In fact, what’s going on in Mexico is a war for drugs as the economy collapses. The army has moved in and taken over police departments all over the country. It’s moved into state governments. Since this war, this initiative by President Calderon started in December of 2006, 12,000 Mexicans have been slaughtered, but only seventy-two soldiers have died, which is a very strange thing to call a war against drugs. " Charles Bowden
There is no doubt in my mind, that US arms and the Current Mexican government are linked to these acts as well as the narcos. WE ARE ALL LOSING HERE. Mi opinion,
un latino desde NJ

Gringo Guns and SOA

Gringo Guns and SOA training: The U.S. of A. is not just making the hardware for the Mayhem in Mexico available but also provides the necessary skillz and knowledge on how to most effectively use it.

The ZETAS are one of the most ruthless mercenary gangs for Mexican narcotics traffickers. Many of the Zeta leaders have been identified by Mexican officials as former members of an elite paratroop and intelligence battalion known as the Special Air Mobile Force Group, formerly assigned to the state of Tamaulipas, to fight drug traffickers.

Several of them, according to the Mexican government, were trained at the School of the Americas in Fort Benning, Ga. The school, now known as the Western Hemisphere Institute for Security Cooperation, is the U.S. Army's principal Spanish-language training facility for Latin American military personnel.

SOA graduates are responsible for some of the worst human rights abuses in Latin America. In 1996 the Pentagon was forced to release training manuals used at the school that advocated torture, extortion and execution. Among the SOA's nearly 60,000 graduates are at least 11 military, including Manuel Noriega and Omar Torrijos of Panama, Leopoldo Galtieri and Roberto Viola of Argentina, Juan Velasco Alvarado of Peru, and Hugo Banzer Suarez of Bolivia. In Colombia, SOA graduates are working in close connection with the paramilitaries. In Honduras, SOA graduates just overthrew the democratically elected government and installed a coup regime.

In an Orwellian attempt to deflect public criticism and disassociate the school from its dubious reputation, the SOA was renamed the Western Hemisphere Institute for Security Cooperation (WHINSEC).

And your reliable sources

And your reliable sources are what? The Mexican government? Ha!

Seriously, post sources, paisano, or your comment is worthless.

Cualquier buey puede abrir el hocico, pero sin pruebas, de buey no sale.

What fun! Great job- joey

What fun! Great job-

joey racano

Just curious....are you glad

Just curious....are you glad that our "founding fathers" had access to their guns, or would you prefer that we all bow down to the king of England?

Are you suggesting that the necessity for the people to reclaim itself from a corrupt government can not ever happen again now that we're "civilized"?

Do you trust the Government?

The other problem with arguing about statistics is that you can count dead bodies but the "lives saved" are impossible to count. I know people who have protected themselves with guns, but because there was no dead body, they'll never show up in any sort of statistic. What we can count are the increase or decrease in dead bodies as gun laws fluctuate like in DC.

What an ignorant Redneck

What an ignorant Redneck comment. It's the Queen (since 1953 or are you just not current) of the United Kingdom, not the King of England.

This is why many in the world think you're citizens are always in the Excited States, over everything.

Guns good! Health care evil. Priorities?

World Citizen

My dad uset'a say "A little

My dad uset'a say "A little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing." You are illustrating his point remarkably well.

stupid video.

stupid video.

Stupid gunners, these GUN

Stupid gunners, these GUN SHOPS are a CANCER!

Wait till you end up in a

Wait till you end up in a FEMA camp.

Nobody is going to a FEMA

Nobody is going to a FEMA camp because they are 'rounded up by government goons'. They are moving in because they are poor and have nowhere else to go at a comparable price. So what does your post have to do with anything in a conversation about guns?

Wow... where to begin. First

Wow... where to begin.

First of all, that 90% figure is completely bogus... and has been PROVEN to be completely bogus. The figure is that 90% of the guns that the Mexican police ASK the ATF to trace are from the United States. Not even close to the same thing.

Second of all, less than half of THOSE are bought in legal FFL transactions.

Thirdly, even if NO guns were available from the United States, any mechanically competent 12 year old could make a tube smg from $100 worth of hardware store parts no NO special tools.

Fourthly, you're right. Guns DON'T kill people. It IS the drug prohibition violence. So why is it your smarmy little message seems to be that the answer is yet more prohibitions?

This propaganda isn't even entertaining. It's just sad.

Well, I'd like to hear where

Well, I'd like to hear where you get your information. Tell me where you get the info, and you're 100% true (Give or take 77%).

Guns DO kill people and you

Guns DO kill people and you are a f---ing moron.

If we consider the

If we consider the denotative definition of "kill", then yes guns do kill people.

That being said, what we need to be concerned about is "murder". Murder requires intent and "murder" is what persons are actually referring to when they say "Guns don't kill people. People kill people."

Since only humans can have intent, only humans can murder. If we outlaw guns because they can be used to kill persons, then we should outlaw cars, airplanes, hammers, baseball bats, knives and any number of other inanimate objects.

(The use of) cars kills many times the number of persons as the use of firearms. Are you ready to support the legislation to ban the public menace that is the automobile?

I have a request for you: rather than tossing around your massive vocabulary of expletives, why don't you try formulating an intelligent rebuttal backed by facts. (I know you won't... because all of the facts support my side of the argument; only ill-formed opinion resides with those on your side of this debate.)

heres a fun fact, guns are

heres a fun fact, guns are easy to fire. one little flick of the finger can send a bullet into anything its pointed at. now im not saying its hard to use a bat, knife, or cars. But those have more limited range and require more effort from the person weilding the item in question. Plus, its easier to defend oneself from these items than it is to dodge a bullet.

one may argue that if we take away guns, then only criminals would have guns. But a criminal is only a criminal when he/she gets caught, until then he/she is probably just an average Joe/Jane like us. As for drug cartels, mafias and whatnot, they would seem alot less threatening without a gun in their hands.

also you say that since people try banning guns just because they can be used to kill people and cars, hammers, bats, ect. should be outlawed beside them. But these other items have different intended uses. i mean how do you hammer a nail with a gun?

So you really think that the

So you really think that the gang bangers, drug dealers, and violent criminals are just going to hand over their guns to law enforcement because there's now a "gun ban".

What actually happens is that violent crime actually goes up as criminals pretty much know that the civilian population can't fight back and their only threat is the police who are generally 10-15 minutes away. Do your research. Gun bans cause gun crime to increase. Look at Chicago, DC, Australia, and the UK.

In a fantasy world, all the guns magically disappear. In the real world, the criminals keep, make, or import their guns and continue their criminal activity with less resistance than ever.

This video points out how

This video points out how logic works in the media works today. To use an analogy, we should "cut our noses off our faces" when we get a cold because its the thing that is runny and full of snot and so bothersome and unsightly. Hey Liberal Media. Get a clue. How do you stop guns? Has someone actually put an RFID tag on these things and watched it work its way across the border, into a gangster's hands and then pull its own trigger. GUNS BAD. Yeah, I get the bias. It so stupid, I can't even imagine how to respond. Solve the underlying problem and people won't need to "cut their noses off" in order to deal with a symptom of a bigger thing called a disease. Lies by the media only distort and provide a sense of doing something, when in fact, you do nothing. After seeing Scarface, did you want to outlaw chainsaws? IDIOTS!!!!!!

Great Video...

Great Video...

Hey idiot moron, there is no

Hey idiot moron, there is no such thing as a "Liberal Media." Who do you think owns all of the major media outlets? Corporations or rich, greedy individuals like Rupert Murdock, that's who. This ridiculous attempt to paint big media as "liberal" is totally f**king asinine. Do you actually believe that Time Warner or GE or Rupert Murdock would ever allow anything of real substance to be broadcast on their networks? You right-wing numb nuts are so totally misinformed it isn't even humorous any more. Try reading something other than the conservative rags, watching something other than Faux News and try listening to something other than that bile spewing Limbaugh and you might actually get a clue to what is really happening.

You might want to go easy on

You might want to go easy on the "idiots" comments, since you believe, despite a mountain of evidence to the contrary, that the corporately owned media are liberal. Only a brain-dead, kool-ade-drinking, right-wing, drooling-inbred cretin still believes that load of horsecrap.

Grow a clue, dimbulb. The Brits have had a handgun ban for ages, as do all other civilized nations, and their gun deaths are a fraction of ours. The reason ours don't work is you have DC, for example, with a handgun ban right next door to Virginia. which allows anybody to buy a handgun a month. Who the hell needs a handgun a month? It's not as if they have a limited shelf life.

Following are facts on handgun deaths and injuries in the US, from the Brady Campaign:

"In 2006, 30,896 people in the United States died from firearm-related deaths – 12,791 were murdered; 16,883 killed themselves; 642 were accidents; 360 died by police intervention, and in 220, the intent was unknown. In comparison, 33,651 Americans were killed in the Korean War and 58,193 Americans were killed in the Vietnam War.

An additional 69,863 people were shot and survived their injuries -- 48,676 people injured in an attack; 4,291 people injured in a suicide attempt; 15,698 people shot accidentally, and 1,198 people shot in a police intervention.

In 2004, firearms were used to murder 56 people in Australia, 184 people in Canada, 73 people in England and Wales, 5 people in New Zealand, and 37 people in Sweden. In comparison, firearms were used to murder 11,344 in the United States.

In 2007, there were 198 justifiable homicides by private citizens using firearms in the United States."

Over 100,000 deaths and injuries a year in the US, compared to 198 justifiable homicides annually, by people using their guns in self defense. You don't even need to do a cost/benefit analysis to see that those numbers don't justify unregulated gun ownership on the basis of self defence.

Just to compare apples to apples, Australia's per capita handgun murder rate works out to works out to 0.26 per 100,000 people, 0.55 in Canada, 0.14 in Englsnd and Wales, 0.16 in New Zealand, 0.41 in Sweden, and a whopping 3.88 in the US. That's 15 times the Australian rate, 7 rimes Canada, almost 28 times England and Wales, 24 times New Zealans, and 9 1/2 times Sweden. Tell me again how handgun control hass no effect on murder rates, pinhead. Oh, yeah, and the per capita rate of justifiable homicides in the US is 0.07 per 100,000. Whoopee. Beeak out the freakin' champagne.

The reason you can't imagine how to respond, is your own idiocy. The media lies all right, but it is rhe right wing doing the lying: Rush Limbaugs, eaan Hannity, Michelle Malkin, Anne Coulter, and Glenn Beck, just to name a few, are the liars. Proven liars beiieved only by pissants like yourself, whose ignorance is matched only by their arrogance and gullibility. "Scarface" was fiction, dipshit. You probably believe the "ticking time bomb" scenario from "24" is a legitimate possibility. too. Wrong again. It has never happened in the real world.

Unfortunately, you don't live in the real world with the rest of us, and until such time as you do take up residence here, I suggest you STFU.

Myth: Gun control in

Myth: Gun control in Australia is curbing crime
Fact: Crime has been rising since a sweeping ban on private gun ownership. In the first
two years after gun-owners were forced to surrender 640,381 personal firearms,
government statistics show a dramatic increase in criminal activity.61 In 2001-2002,
homicides were up another 20%.62
From the inception of firearm confiscation to March 27, 2000, the numbers are:
• Gun murders up 19%
• Armed robbery up 69%
• Home invasions up 21%
The sad part is that in the 15 years before national gun confiscation:
• Firearm-related homicides dropped nearly 66%
• Firearm-related deaths fell 50%
Fact: Gun crimes are rising throughout Australia after guns were banned. In Sydney
alone, robbery rates with guns rose 160% in 2001, more in the previous year.63
Fact: A ten year study that concluded Australian firearm confiscation had no effect on
crime rates.64 A separate study concluded Australia’s 1996 gun control laws “found [no]
evidence for an impact of the laws on the pre-existing decline in firearm homicides.”65

61 Crime and Justice - Crimes Recorded by Police, Australian Bureau of Statistics, 2000.
62 Report #46: Homicide in Australia, 2001-2002, Australian Institute of Criminology, April 2003.
63 Costa targets armed robbers, The Sydney Morning Herald, April 4, 2002.
64 Gun Laws and Sudden Death: Did the Australian Firearms Legislation of 1996 Make a Difference?, Dr.
Jeanine Baker and Dr. Samara McPhedran, British Journal of Criminology, November 2006.
65 Austrian firearms: data require cautious approach, S. McPhedran, S. McPhedran, and J. Baker, The
British Journal of Psychiatry, 2007, 191:562

Have to love the truth.

That may be true.. but some

That may be true.. but some of this has to do with culture. Britain has tight gun control laws and a high crime rate. Canada has tight gun control laws and a low crime rate. US has loose overall gun control laws and a med-high crime rate. Taking the guns out of the equation may or may not solve anything. Creating the stigma that crime in general does not pay and lessens the value of the individual may.

Its not because of culture

Its not because of culture but evil people who are aloowed to run around armed with illegal weapons wehile everyone is disarmed

Lay off the anti-gun crap

Lay off the anti-gun crap please. Your lovely Britan and Australia have the highest violent crime rates in the world. I live in the country alone and wouldn't go to bed without a loaded gun on the nightstand. Since people in this country won't pay for a decent sized police presence, whom do you think will protect me against home invasions? And when my house alarm goes off by itself, which it does occasionally, I wait behind a locked door with a shotgun until the police (less than a mile away) take seven or eight minutes to get here to check the lower floors... Fix all that please.. And fix the drug laws while you're at it.. They aren't working. JSL

"Your lovely Britan and

"Your lovely Britan and Australia have the highest violent crime rates in the world."

WRONG! WRONG! WRONG! You are pulling that crap from so far out of your clinched rectum it makes me laugh. Let's see the statistical info to back-up that ridiculous claim. What a total tool bag.

Fact: According to the U.N.,

Fact: According to the U.N., as
of 2005, Scotland was the most
violent country in the developed
world, with people three times
more likely to be assaulted than
in America. Violent crime there
has doubled over the last 20
years. 3% of Scots had been
victims of assault compared
with 1.2% in America.

Scotland tops list of world's most violent countries, The Times, September 19, 2005

This is from your precious "not liberal" media. For a total listing of statistics and FACTS, check out www.gunfacts.info

But how many Scots are

But how many Scots are killed during all of these violent assults? It turns out that all of these assults produced a violet death rate. rate is 2.33 deaths per 100,000. (source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2005/sep/26/ukcrime.scotland ) This is a bit under 1/2 of the US rate of 5.6 deaths per 100,000 (source: http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_01.html ).

So, while many more Scots are assulted, they are not being being killed in those assults. In the US, about 2/3 of murders use guns. If you replace the knife wielding Scots with gun wielding Scots, it would be reasonable to expect that the homicide rate would jump to around 15 violent deaths per 100,000.

A violent attack is bad, but is very unlikely to kill if the attacker has a knife. Give the attacker a gun, and the death rate increases significantly.

So it seems to me that guns don't lead to more violent crime, but they do lead to a greater likelihood of death when there is violent crime. Being shot is more dangerous than getting stabbed or clubbed.

So you are cowering in the

So you are cowering in the country, hugging your guns, every time a squirrel set off your alarm?
What a lovely country you have, with everyone living in fear and ready to shoot.

So, you KNOW that guns are

So, you KNOW that guns are NOT coming from the US? You blame the "media", they are the ones making this all up? Have you seem the report from that left wing agency the ATF? You,ve been to ATF headquarters in ElPaso and have seen the guns they have taken from Mexican drug smugglers?
How about the gun shows where you can buy a gun from Joe Blow and not fill out a thing, you know this, right? I believe you have blinders on so that you do not have to face a complicated issue like this one. Just blame the media for distortion of the facts and you don't have to do a thing.

The fact is.. Most of all

The fact is.. Most of all guns in Mexico come from Brazil and other Latin Countries as they have a great deal of Firearm Manufacturing facilities, that don't use serial numbers. They are much cheaper and more readily available than any U.S. Gun!! It always amazes me at how the left wing moronic view wants to blame the U.S. and it's "EVIL GUN LOVERS" for all of Mexico's problems. Keep supporting the "Poor Little Immigrant" (Illegal Alien) that sends 40 Billion a year home to Mexico to his family and friends so they can pay a coyote to get them here too, ( That money goes to the same cartels!). And support his right to wave the national flag of Mexico here in our streets. And soon enough they will have turned what is left of this country into the same cesspool they use to call home. You will deserve what you get.. Ask California how well those Sanctuary City things are working out for them? Oh Yeah , THEY ARE BANKRUPT!!?? I wonder if it's because the poor little immigrants use the hospital's emergency rooms as a nurse's station for everything from a stuffy nose to a headache.As well as all the free social services.. And we the taxpayer, that spends their money here, pays for it! Good Job California....and you leftist Mental Giants!!!

lol....the only thing

lol....the only thing funnier than a bigot is a pissy one... ;)

did you base any of this on

did you base any of this on fact? If I had a relative in another country sending me tons of money every month, why would I want to join them? better yet, why would I pay someone to smuggle me there, when I could stay at home and receive money?

and by the way, if they Mexicans live in Mexico, then they're not immigrants.

What a bigot. Mexican

What a bigot. Mexican immigrants come here to work. Most of them pay taxes like everybody else -- deducted from their paychecks just like you -- and also pay social security tax which they will never benefit from. They spend money on food, rent, clothes, vehicles, gasoline, and other consumer items while living here . Their services are indispensable -- just ask any California businessman, happy to have underpaid hard-working and reliable (desperate) people who don't cause trouble, regard the boss as a "padron" (patron, benefactor)and who can be fired without cause at any time because they have no legal recourse.
As tax payers immigrants are just as entitled to use county and federal services as anyone. And if they don't pay taxes it is becase they are being paid under the table by unscrupulous American employers out to exploit them at wages Americans can get by panhandling (when was the last time you saw a Mexican panhandler?)They are not freeloaders-- they come here to work and survive, not to leech. As a restaurant manager I found Mexicans to be honest, hard-working and always on time -- American citizens, both black and white, showed up late, stole money and food, called in sick when they were on drugs at a rock concert, burned out quickly and quit without notice, and did not want to work hard for the amount they agreed to be paid. We never had any of these problems with Mexicans, so if the country is turning into a cesspool, look in the mirror for the cause -- arrogant, ignorant Americans like you, not hard working honest immigrants.

They are not citizens,

They are not citizens, therefore not entitled to any of the benefits of citizenship. They do burden our welfare systems, and also contribute to crime, possibly no more than Americans. The fact that they entered our country ILLEGALLY makes them all criminals though. That small fact precludes including them on any list of "hard working HONEST immigrants."

If the US government

If the US government relegalized all drugs, then the black market and the violence that accompanies it would cease. Prohibition didn't work in the 1920-1930s and it won't work now either.

Lets think about this

Lets think about this logically. In order to get a gun from the United States, drug cartels would have to send someone into the United States, get them to make a straw purchase (which would require someone with a clean background), then smuggle the gun back through the border. Their selection would be limited to semi-automatic weapons, and explosives would be next to impossible to buy.

On the other hand, they could get fully automatic weapons and explosives in bulk from a gun smuggler. The second option saves them time, money, risk, and effort, and it delivers a lot more firepower.

Do you really believe that these criminals would take the harder route to get less powerful weapons? I wish you would think through things before you make these videos. Do you think you could do a little bit of research next time?

[quote=anonymous]Lets think

[quote=anonymous]Lets think about this logically. In order to get a gun from the United States, drug cartels would have to send someone into the United States, get them to make a straw purchase (which would require someone with a clean background), then smuggle the gun back through the border. Their selection would be limited to semi-automatic weapons, and explosives would be next to impossible to buy.

On the other hand, they could get fully automatic weapons and explosives in bulk from a gun smuggler. The second option saves them time, money, risk, and effort, and it delivers a lot more firepower.

Do you really believe that these criminals would take the harder route to get less powerful weapons? I wish you would think through things before you make these videos. Do you think you could do a little bit of research next time?
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Dude, this is a liberal site. How dare you bring facts and logic in here! Don't you know what this and other liberal sites are about? They take people they don't know, refuse to understand and then turn them into demonic figures out to eat your very soul if you dare try to understand a different point of view. After all, someone has posted *facts* from the Brady Campaign. They're totally unbiased, you know.

Crash and Burn again,

Crash and Burn again, Mark!

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elections/2009/04/02/myth-percent-guns-m...

Here's another source that says the 90% number is not entirely correct.

It's more like 17%.

Oh yeah! Fox news on the

Oh yeah! Fox news on the internets is a powerful source! Did you use the google to finds it?

Politifact covered

Politifact covered this

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/apr/16/barack-ob...

90% was a misstatement but 17% is an astonishing misrepresentation of statistics.

Here's how it works

90% of guns confiscated from crime scenes in Mexico and sent to the US for analysis that could be traced came from the US. Clearly that does not mean that 90% of all guns used in crimes came from the US and that is not what any of the numbers' originators have ever claimed. It is statistically valid to treat the number as an upper-bound for a ballpark figure however. It is also understandable that someone would mis-speak the qualifiers.

The 17% statistic is the flip side coming from observing that only 1/3 of guns are sent to the US for analysis and many cannot be traced. To get 17% you have to make the assumption
that NONE of the remained came from the US. A bit insincere perhaps? Seriously, its not like the study's publishers were unaware of this fault - you should be mad.

In any case, the whole topic is a bit of a straw man. 90% or less, is anyone actually against tighter gun control on the border? Anyone? No? Then get over yourself and don't distract from the issue.

"In any case, the whole

"In any case, the whole topic is a bit of a straw man. 90% or less, is anyone actually against tighter gun control on the border? Anyone? No? Then get over yourself and don't distract from the issue."

I have not heard much about proposals to search people crossing into Mexico for guns. What I have heard about are proposals to limit Americans' ability to purchase guns, with the distorted 90% statistic used as another excuse. A much better idea would be ending the idiotic drug war that empowers these criminal gangs.

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