I think the website author needs to remove the Gringo Guns if he wants to keep any bit of integrity.
Its coming out now that the ATF did actually know about and instruct gun stores and ATF agents to allow guns to be purchased and taken into Mexico.
1.Note: There is now is before was total of 01 F.F.L.s Dealers before is( 39,000 Retailers Busineses in 01/01/2010 A.D. too! The Latest Count too! on 11/21.2010 A.D. There is Sharp Decline on: 01 Gun Dealers too! The total Count is now is 37,000 01 Dealers Retailers in 50 States too! The Latest Count is now too! Thankyou,
1. We need cut down the Number of (01) F.F.L.s to maxium U.S.A. A U.S.Enforcement of a: Limit to: 10,000 01,Licences on federal level only too! & State Licences to on State Level too! No Extras Applications from A.T.F. & State Licences from the Sheriffis Dept. of Licening of Country Groverment & State you live in too! Agreed!! 2. The State Groverments of 50 States to: there will be a,(Maxium Number of a Cap limit No. 01 F.F.L.s Dealers is (200)(01) By the A.T.F. Rules State Groverment Level too!) Limited Cap is enforced by the 200 State Licences is issued by Sheriffis Dept. of all counties of entire all 50 States too!! Agreed! This will slow down the Criminals Ganges Groops of the Under world of Gun Running of Stolen Hand Guns Groups & Druges near the Mexicam 2000 mile border too! Gulf of Mexico ocean up to Florida Cost too! Ture!!! 3. The Renuals for 3 years is fee $$$ (2500.00 & be Finger Printed every time you applyed for new F.F.L.s (01) Licences on Federal Level First too!!! Paid in Full too!!! Agreed!!! They Will not Exeeded the Federal Limit of 10,000 Dealers Licences & State Licences on Federal U.S.A. Level is not to be exeeded of 10,000 01 Licences & State Licences on Fed U.S.A. Agreed!!!#1 3a. The State Licence at State Level too! The Renuals Fees is 3 yrs too. Be Finger Printed Again When you applyed new State licences every Time you Applyed new State Licence $$$ Cost $ 1250.00 Fee is paid in full too! There will not exeeded the maxium number of Gun Dealers Retailer not passing at State Level of 200 01 & State Licences is issued by Sheriffis Department of State Licences to Sell Hand Guns & all Firearms at State Level too! 2.# They will Not to Exeed Limit of 01 Licences & State Licences too! true!!! Agreed Thank you,
1. Banning guns works, which is why New York, DC, Detroit & Chicago cops need guns.
2. Washington DC's low murder rate of 69 per 100,000 is due to strict gun control, and Indianapolis' high murder rate of 9 per 100,000 is due to the lack of gun control.
3. Statistics showing high murder rates justify gun control but statistics showing increasing murder rates after gun control are "just statistics."
4. The Brady Bill and the Assault Weapons Ban, both of which went into effect in 1994 are responsible for the decrease in violent crime rates, which have been declining since 1991.
5. We must get rid of guns because a deranged lunatic may go on a shooting spree at any time and anyone who would own a gun out of fear of such a lunatic is paranoid.
6. The more helpless you are the safer you are from criminals.
7. An intruder will be incapacitated by tear gas or oven spray, but if shot with a .357 Magnum will get angry and kill you.
8. A woman raped and strangled is morally superior to a woman with a smoking gun and a dead rapist at her feet.
9. When confronted by violent criminals, you should "put up no defense - give them what they want, or run" (Handgun Control Inc. Chairman Pete Shields, Guns Don't Die - People Do, 1981, p. 125).
10. The New England Journal of Medicine is filled with expert advice about guns; just like Guns & Ammo has some excellent treatises on heart surgery.
11. One should consult an automotive engineer for safer seat belts, a civil engineer for a better bridge, a surgeon for internal medicine, a computer programmer for hard drive problems, and Sarah Brady for firearms expertise.
12. The 2nd Amendment, ratified in 1787, refers to the National Guard, which was created 130 years later, in 1917.
13. The National Guard, federally funded, with bases on federal land, using federally-owned weapons, vehicles, buildings and uniforms, punishing trespassers under federal law, is a "state" militia.
14. These phrases: "right of the people peaceably to assemble," "right of the people to be secure in their homes," "enumerations herein of certain rights shall not be construed to disparage others retained by the people," and "The powers not delegated herein are reserved to the states respectively, and to the people" all refer to individuals, but "the right of the people to keep and bear arms" refers to the state.
15. "The Constitution is strong and will never change." But we should ban and seize all guns thereby violating the 2nd, 4th, and 5th Amendments to that Constitution.
16. Rifles and handguns aren't necessary to national defense! Of course, the army has hundreds of thousands of them.
17. Private citizens shouldn't have handguns, because they aren't "military weapons'', but private citizens shouldn't have "assault rifles'', because they are military weapons.
18. In spite of waiting periods, background checks, fingerprinting, government forms, etc., guns today are too readily available, which is responsible for recent school shootings. In the 1940's, 1950's and 1960's, anyone could buy guns at hardware stores, army surplus stores, gas stations, variety stores, Sears mail order, no waiting, no background check, no fingerprints, no government forms and there were no school shootings.
19. The NRA's attempt to run a "don't touch" campaign about kids handling guns is propaganda, but the anti-gun lobby's attempt to run a "don't touch" campaign is responsible social activity.
20. Guns are so complex that special training is necessary to use them properly, and so simple to use that they make murder easy.
21. A handgun, with up to 4 controls, is far too complex for the typical adult to learn to use, as opposed to an automobile that only has 20.
22. Women are just as intelligent and capable as men but a woman with a gun is "an accident waiting to happen" and gun makers' advertisements aimed at women are "preying on their fears."
23. Ordinary people in the presence of guns turn into slaughtering butchers but revert to normal when the weapon is removed.
24. Guns cause violence, which is why there are so many mass killings at gun shows.
25. A majority of the population supports gun control, just like a majority of the population supported owning slaves.
26. Any self-loading small arm can legitimately be considered to be a "weapon of mass destruction" or an "assault weapon."
27. Most people can't be trusted, so we should have laws against guns, which most people will abide by because they can be trusted.
28. The right of Internet pornographers to exist cannot be questioned because it is constitutionally protected by the Bill of Rights, but the use of handguns for self defense is not really protected by the Bill of Rights.
29. Free speech entitles one to own newspapers, transmitters, computers, and typewriters, but self- defense only justifies bare hands.
30. The ACLU is good because it uncompromisingly defends certain parts of the Constitution, and the NRA is bad, because it defends other parts of the Constitution.
31. Charlton Heston, a movie actor as president of the NRA is a cheap lunatic who should be ignored, but Michael Douglas, a movie actor as a representative of Handgun Control, Inc. is an ambassador for peace who is entitled to an audience at the UN arms control summit.
32. Police operate with backup within groups, which is why they need larger capacity pistol magazines than do "civilians" who must face criminals alone and therefore need less ammunition.
33. We should ban "Saturday Night Specials" and other inexpensive guns because it's not fair that poor people have access to guns too.
34. Police officers have some special Jedi-like mastery over handguns that private citizens can never hope to obtain.
35. Private citizens don't need a gun for self- protection because the police are there to protect them even though the Supreme Court says the police are not responsible for their protection.
36. Citizens don't need to carry a gun for personal protection but police chiefs, who are desk-bound administrators who work in a building filled with cops, need a gun.
37. "Assault weapons" have no purpose other than to kill large numbers of people. The police need assault weapons. You do not.
38. When Microsoft pressures its distributors to give Microsoft preferential promotion, that's bad; but when the Federal government pressures cities to buy guns only from Smith & Wesson, that's good.
39. Trigger locks do not interfere with the ability to use a gun for defensive purposes, which is why you see police officers with one on their duty weapon.
40. Handgun Control, Inc., says they want to "keep guns out of the wrong hands." Guess what? You have the wrong hands.
Wow. This site really draws out, um, interesting characters--including people who apparently think that political debate consists of making up sh-t, mischaracterizing other sh-t and using some sort of crazy-ass up-is-down logic to tie it all together.
1. The U.S.A Cap Limit In the Future is (5000) 01 F.F.L.s Dealers too! no extras added too!State Licences,by the Counties too too! By the Sheriffis Dept. of Licening too! Agreed The State Groverment Limit is 50 States to: is 100 01 F.F.L.s &State Licences,Comtrolled by the Sheriffis Dept of Licening Division of Counties too too! Dealers too! No Extras added to the List of 01 Gun Dealers Busineses Numbers is controlled too! Agreed!!
1. The U.S.A. Groverment Cap Number Limit is in the Future is (5000) 01 Retailers of F.F.L.s Gun Dealers is maxium number Limit too!It by the A.T.F. Rules too! Will be inforced Immeadly someday ib the Future time too!! There will not be extras not passeed the 5000 Mark Limit for the U.S.A. Too! Agreed!!!! 2. The State Groverment Level is #2 The Maxium Cap Limit, is: in in The Future Time someday too! Agreed! (100) (01)F.F.L.s & State Licences is for fifty States too! It will be no more Then (100) )(01)F.F.L.s Licences to & State Licences as well in the Future too! Someday too! I agreed!!! Reason is: The Street Ganges,of Druges & Stolen Guns are Robbed out of smaller Gun Stores too! The Ganges target smallerb Gun Stores too! true!!!They send Scouts boys or Girls Ganges out there to find smaller gun Busineses too! To See there alot of Hand guns in Glass Cases too!An ammo boxes to true!! Facts are true!!! will have diffiult time to find Stolen Firearms on all the Streets too.In Cites,Townships,towns,in 50 States too. In Counties Roads. State Highways,Busineses, or Interstate Highways too! Were Busineses are located to spot any Gun Stores there too! True! The Gun Stores get Cleaned out too! true!!! Thank you,
1. The Maxium Cap Number 01 F.F.L.s & State Licences is (10,000)&State Licences to Maxium Cap Limit too! No Extras Applications issued too! 2. The 50 States Maxium Cap Limit 01 F.F.L.s is 200-01 Licences & States Licences is Maxium Cap Limit too. No Extras Applications Added for: 01 F.F.L.s & State Licences Added no more too! By the A.T.F. By the Sheriffis Dept. Counties of all 50 States too! Will Abided by it Rules of a Number Cap Limit is Enforced too! I agreed!! Let"s Work on it Now too! Before it gets out of Cantrolled too! In 50 States Or the U.S.A. too! I agreed!!! Thankyou,
1. The Total Of Store Fronts & Lots Gun Busineses is left is 50 States is around 30,000 01 F.F.L.s of 01 Licences, Recorded by the A.T.F. Division Of Federal Licening Dept too!! & State Licences to Sell all Firearms to At State Licence Level only too! For all 50 States too! Is Issued by Country Sheriffis Dept. of Licening of the State You live in too! True!!
The total of Store Ftonts Retailer Busineses &, Lots is left today on 10/07/2010 A.D. is 30,000 01 F.F.L.s Dealers in 50 States too!! This is latest count of Decline of Gun Retailer Busineses in all in the U.S.A.too!!!
1.The Number of Gun Dealers in the U.S.A. is Alot smaller Number too! The F.F.L.s Licences Retailers Gun Dealers Busineses is (30,720 01 F.F.L.s &State Licences too! is the Latest Report in,0ct,5,2010 A.D too! We lost Alot of smaller 01 Gun Dealers Smaller Gun Busineses to: did decline to 19,910 01 F.F.L.s & State- Licences did decline alot too! true!!! Reasonis:F.F.L.s Remuals are $2500.00 every 3yrs Renuals too!An Fingerprinted Agaun to when you apply for a New Federal Licence again too. agreed!!! The State Licences Renuals is $1250.00 3yrs Renuals too! An fingerprinted each time you applu for a new State Licence For Retailer Gun Sales at State Level sell all Firearms too! Agreed There are Federal Laws & State Laws Regulations must be follow by the most current Laws on the books today in 2010 A.D too! I agreed! Law is the Law of Gun Regulations of Retailer Gun Dealers Sales in a Retailer Gun Stores Busineses too! Stores Retailers Outlets & Lots ,Are Sepsrated From the Residential & comunity zones too! An Residential & Cominity Block zones too! Is no F.F.L.s & State Licences Gun Busineses to not Allowed There in those Block Comunity & Residential Zones is off limits aresa by Zoning Commissiion says no You are Denied to apply for a F.F.L.s Licences & State Licences too!!!!!! Rules Do applyed too!!!
1. We Federal Firearms Licences Agents Should Cut off about "(3000)" 01 Smaller, Retailers,Gun Dealers Busineses out immeadly: (01) Licences & State Licences to be not Renuded no more: (in 258 Counties in the hold State of Texas) the Oil & Long Star State is; #1 in F.F.L.s & State Licences is issueed by the Country Sheriffis Dept. of the State Of texas too!!!! 2. There is Should be About U.S/ cap Number Limit is: - No more then; 300 01 F.F.Ls & State Licences is a U.S. cap Number Limit too!!! None should not exeeded no more then: 300 01 & State Licences too! no extras Will not be added no more too! Or the Federal Level of the 50 States of the U.s.a. Too!!! Only for the State of Texas State of 258 Counties too~ i agreed!! To many Killing by Street Gangs, Gs-13 & Fs-13 & Druge Dealers & KingPin Whole Saller Distriber Middle Men & Womwn too! Woman Hoods & Men Hoods of Organized Crime in the States Or The U.S. Or the Nations of the World Order too! True!!! The Renual Fees will Be Offical Fees of 3yrs Renuals for 01 Licences: will cost $ 2500.00 Every time they Renewed there Regular F.F.L.s Licences of (01)s,too!!! & State Licences 3 yrs Renuals is regular State Licences only one Licence,Will Cost; $$1250.00 Will be issued too. For Retailer Gun Dealers Sales to the Public on Market sales to make Money too! agreed!! This will Cut out the Thousands of Smaller Gun Dealers Numbers way down too! There Will be F.F.L.s,Controlled on the Number of Applications are givien out to a certain number will be offical to; by the A.T.F. E.A. Division of Licening at the Federal Level only too! The State Level is the only the,Country Sheriffis Dept. Or the Division of the State Police, Or the Highway Patrolled in some States in the U.S.A. too State Licences Applications on Strick Number Controlled too! The Number of smaller Gun Dealers #1By Trade. Or the Sporting Gun Dealers is #2 Junk shop Dealers will not be issued no more 01 F.F.L.s Licences. & State Licences to sell all Firearms State Level is no more too! They Can"t be Trusted no more too! I agreed Let's Chanage the Laws of federal Level ^ state Level too! Reason is: The Criminals do shop there alot too! To buy illeagal Guns & Ammo too! True isin all the Mid westren States, western States too!!!
In other words, just because Mexico can't control its crime rates WE have to give up our constitutional rights. And BTW, criminals can get guns from the black market. All your insane policy will do is create defenseless citizens by making it difficult for them to defend themselves. Liberals hate self defense.
Mexico wouldn't have a crime rate if it wasn't for American druggies and their demand. Or do you think a trade worth $50 billion a year can be a monopoly?
Unlesss your defending yourself against a dozen + thugs or maybe even something else more powerful.
Nothing keeping homie G or Little Caesar from getting their fully auto's from international dealers or black market hoodies in places like SC LA or Chicago South. (Which I might add bans even hand guns)
Submitted by mainestategop on Tue, 2010-07-27 00:31.
WHoever wrote all that crap below about reducing gun dealers. Dream on. They can get their weapons from international dealers and make them in garages which I might add, contrary to the bogus statistics mentioned is the real source of guns in Mexico. Not the USA. If guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns. Regardless where they come from.
1.Alot More Smaller 01 Retailer Gun Dealers Units need to be reduced too! Let"s cut it down to: (25,315) 01 Dealers in the U.S.A. too! There is 50,630 01 F.F.L.s Dealers Retailers in U.S.A. Store Fronts
1. We meed to , cut down the large Numbers of smaller Gun Dealers too! Near the mexican & U.S. Border too! California,New Mexico,Arzona,Texas, State too! is the 2000 mile Mexican Border too! agreed! 10,000 + 10,000 + 5000 + too 01 Smaller Gun Dealers to Reduced thgen too! most of them are; smaller 01 Retailer Gun Dealers selling Firearms, Longguns,Rifles,shotguns,is used by 4473 form too! Handguns& Revolvers are a Family Presession only by the 50 States Residents only too! Semipistals,Revolvers only sold to U.S. Citizens of the 50 States too! only too! This is a Federal Law,& 50 State Law is only be sold to State Residents of U.S.Citizens in U.S.A. too!! Not Mexicans Illegal Alliens of 15,000,000 & Central,South Americans not U.S. Citizens of the U.s. ia a Federal Crime Violation too! It can get them deported back towards Mexico Country then handed to Mexican Police Athorities to be arrested and put in Jail for life too! The Mexican Druges into U.S. Illegalley too! Don"t want to U.S Citizens at all too! They want to Distroyed U.S, Citizens by getting them on Druges too! By doing that They can take over the hold U.S.A. With firing a shot Across The U.S. Border too! They will almost suscced in there goal to Kill Americams Citizens Are born in the U.s.a. in Fifty States too!!! Workers & Dealers will be excuted too! by the Mexican Courts of Jistice is a death Sentance too! For Druge Dealers &KingPins Whole Dealers Distribors as well too! Arested An Tried and Found Giulty By Mexican Court of law &jury by its peers Familes Were Hurt By the Druge Smugglers Criminals of white Collar &Blue Caller Crime is world Wide issued too! Drugs Smuggers of Aisa, Eurpean Nations Afercia Arabs Nations how hate American Citizens of a Free People is the First Nation of Freedem U.s.Groverment By the People & for the Free People How saffered in Nations Counties not Free Nations too! true ! They came to the U.S to be Free People too! True!! I would think about it for a minute too! To decided to go back to the old nation of Unfreed Nations Prime Ministers ,By Kings Or Qeens Monarks people in power too! True!!!!!!!!
1. We need to tell the Regular F.F.L.s Dealers they Can"t Applyed fo Import & Export Licences of 08 & N.F.A. Licence is 011 too! Been cancel it not Giving theses Application out for now too! We should tell the Druge Carteals Groops of Mexico Workes to:Illegals Alliens of other Counties are Living in: 50 States they can"t Buy any Firearms With there Green Gard the Number is on the Card is not: to used to buy Firearms & N.F.A. Permit of class-03 owners purchused any auto"matic Weapons is no more is Stopped by the A. T.F. of U.S.A. too! The Criminals Illegal Alliens in the U.S.A, will be arested with out question too! by all Police, of towns, TownsShips,Cities, of fifty States too! By the Sherifis Depts of all Counties too! All State Plice, or the Highway Patroll of some States too! Or the U.S Marchalla or the F.B.I. too! Imgration Police Agents to will Arrest them as well too! Central America, South America , Aisa ,Arabs States, Aferica States Nations Triing to Distroyed The U.S.A. as well too! We Americans are the Targets of the Cross hares in a Rifle Scope of a Smiper Rifle of Emenies of Nations of other Counties don"t Like us our way of Life of a Free People Liberity Lady Statide in New York City, With a Torch of Freedom Mation is Good U.S.A too! True! Solution is: The Arozona Law is a Good Law For Illegals Alliens Like to Break out Way of life in the U.S.A too! The First at all! English is offical in #1st in line too! Spanished is rated 2nd in line in the U.S.A too! agreed! We should Arrested the Smugglers Mexicos ofv the Organized Mexico Criminala are in the U.S. to take over the 50 States or t6he hold U.S.A as Television Movie is Red DAWN THE iSSUED TOO! TRUE!!!! WAKE UP AMERICAMS cITIZENS OF 50 STATES IN ALL OF THE U.S.A. Too! It could happer in our country of Quite Ivasion of Foreign Troops Will Take the U.S.A. County over Real Quick too! It could Happen real fast an Quick too!!!!
1. The Number of Gun Dealers in the U.S. Now is Around (6000)01 & State Licences with all F.F.L.s Dealers too! The FiFty States Cap No# Limit is per Fifty States Maxium Cap Limit is(130) 01 F.F.l.s too! Solution:is There will be not as many smaller 01 F.F.L.s Holders of smaller Gun Busineses to when time goes by too! This will help the Cities, Townships, Towns, in 50 States too! The F.F.L.s Applications of (01, Retailers GunDealers & 08 is Import & Export Dealers as well too! The State Licences will be:" harder to get applications from the U.S. Treasury of the U.S. Groverment Office of the A.T.F. will harder rules for Foreign Immergrates of Foreign Counties do buy an Gun with a Green Card to the U.S. Groverment done before!Now they will Change that Regulations say no they can"t Any Guns If they are not U.S Citizens at all. too! They will be Denied of the Request too! They don"t Extra Rights over the U.S.Citizens are Borned in the U.S.A too! Agreed! Rulling still Stands today in the Supreme Court of the U.S.A. Too!! Ageed!!!! The Law still Stands today too! In 2010 A.D too!! It Starts With the Mexico Immergrants of Mexico & other Counties as well too! agreed!! Let"s do it Now!! Agreed!!! too! Reason is: Crime & Druges & Guns are Roberies from Street Gangs GS-13 other Gangs just as dangerios to the Law Abiding U.S. Citizens are born in the U.S.A. too! agreed!!! PROBLEM is: Illegal Immergrates of Mexico in the U.S. is 12 Millon + alot more comming from other Counties as well too! true!! We need to cut down the number of Smaller Gun Dealers,GunShops,Sporting Gun Shops , Pawn Shops & Gun Shops 01 F.F.L.s & State Licences is issued by the Sherifis Dept. Counties of the States you Live in too! agreed!! There will be fewer Handguns not on the Streets is no more too! By Town. Township, Cities Police Depsrtments, Or by the Counties Sherifis Dept. , State Police, Or the State Highway Patrolled Police too! Agreed! They are call Crime Stoppers Preventing Street, Or Highway Crime; to om Interstate U.S.Highways too! True!!
Decline in Gun Dealers: in U.S.A !! 1. There is about near count of 5000 01 F.F.L.s to 6000 01 F.F.L.s Store Fronts & lot Busineses too! true! im Texas ,Arizonia New Mexico, California too! $ state butt up Agents U.S. Border & Mwxico Border is 2000 miles lenth too! There are"t that many Gun Dealers 01 F.F.L.s holders too! The cap limit is per 50 States too! Is 100 F.F.L.s Miniun of Maxium of Limit is (120) to per 50 States too! Agreed!
Here's a short blurb about crime rates and gun violence both here and south of the border, originally posted on a Mexican firearms forum by yours truly (a Mexican):
El numero de asesinatos per capita es mayor en Mexico que en los EEUU (2.3 veces mayor), pero hay que tomar en cuenta que los asesinatos con arma de fuego en Mexico son en 20% de los crimenes totales, mientras en los EEUU son el 22%. Asumiendo que los narcotraficantes son el sector criminal mas fuertemente armado en Mexico y por consiguiente el mas propenso a usar armas de fuego en asesinatos, el crimen excluyendo armas de fuego en Mexico es aun 2.4 veces mayor. Asi que, aun atribuyendole el 100% de los asesinatos con armas de fuego al narcotrafico, el numero de homicidios excluyendo armas de fuego en Mexico, es enormemente mayor que en los EEUU aun incluyendo armas de fuego ahi: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Mexico
Ahora, hay que recordar que el total de crimenes sin reportar en Mexico es mucho mayor que en los EEUU (el doble, se estima), asi que el numero de crimenes total, aun excluyendo homicidio, es aun muchisimo mas alto en Mexico.
I hope that your Spanish is not too rusty. In short, it explains how even if we subtract the incidence of gun violence entirely out of the equation, or attribute it exclusively to narcoterror, murder and violent crime in Mexico is still considerably higher, per capita, than in the US. Sorry to burst your bubble, but the per-capita violent crime and murder rates seem to indicate that crime does not correlate to the amount of guns in a society. Cultural and economic factors do. In the case of Mexico, violence, including gun violence is a SYMPTOM of deep societal problems. Guns are not the cause.
You seem to be clueless about these societal problems and their underlying causes. Not surprisingly, you rather parrot official Mexican government propaganda because attempting to actually understand the problem would require effort. It would require that you respect your neighbors to the south enough to have the decency of actually engaging in proper research rather than producing bigotted, stereotypical and deeply ignorant cartoons.
I am sorry that this cartoon has offended you, I personally don't see any bigotry or ignorant cartoons in my opinion. With regards to the current mexican government, in a recent article by Charles Bowden (Charles Bowden, author and journalist based in Tucson, Arizona, who has been extensively covering the human consequences of Mexico’s drug war)
he says the following: "There have been hundreds of complaints in Chihuahua alone filed against the army on human rights grounds. Emilio Gutiérrez Soto, a reporter, is seeking political asylum, because the Mexican army is trying to kill him. And he has to keep moving in this country because of threats.
What the US government is doing is pretending the Mexican army is some partner in some war against drugs. In fact, what’s going on in Mexico is a war for drugs as the economy collapses. The army has moved in and taken over police departments all over the country. It’s moved into state governments. Since this war, this initiative by President Calderon started in December of 2006, 12,000 Mexicans have been slaughtered, but only seventy-two soldiers have died, which is a very strange thing to call a war against drugs. " Charles Bowden
There is no doubt in my mind, that US arms and the Current Mexican government are linked to these acts as well as the narcos. WE ARE ALL LOSING HERE. Mi opinion,
un latino desde NJ
Gringo Guns and SOA training: The U.S. of A. is not just making the hardware for the Mayhem in Mexico available but also provides the necessary skillz and knowledge on how to most effectively use it.
The ZETAS are one of the most ruthless mercenary gangs for Mexican narcotics traffickers. Many of the Zeta leaders have been identified by Mexican officials as former members of an elite paratroop and intelligence battalion known as the Special Air Mobile Force Group, formerly assigned to the state of Tamaulipas, to fight drug traffickers.
Several of them, according to the Mexican government, were trained at the School of the Americas in Fort Benning, Ga. The school, now known as the Western Hemisphere Institute for Security Cooperation, is the U.S. Army's principal Spanish-language training facility for Latin American military personnel.
SOA graduates are responsible for some of the worst human rights abuses in Latin America. In 1996 the Pentagon was forced to release training manuals used at the school that advocated torture, extortion and execution. Among the SOA's nearly 60,000 graduates are at least 11 military, including Manuel Noriega and Omar Torrijos of Panama, Leopoldo Galtieri and Roberto Viola of Argentina, Juan Velasco Alvarado of Peru, and Hugo Banzer Suarez of Bolivia. In Colombia, SOA graduates are working in close connection with the paramilitaries. In Honduras, SOA graduates just overthrew the democratically elected government and installed a coup regime.
In an Orwellian attempt to deflect public criticism and disassociate the school from its dubious reputation, the SOA was renamed the Western Hemisphere Institute for Security Cooperation (WHINSEC).
Just curious....are you glad that our "founding fathers" had access to their guns, or would you prefer that we all bow down to the king of England?
Are you suggesting that the necessity for the people to reclaim itself from a corrupt government can not ever happen again now that we're "civilized"?
Do you trust the Government?
The other problem with arguing about statistics is that you can count dead bodies but the "lives saved" are impossible to count. I know people who have protected themselves with guns, but because there was no dead body, they'll never show up in any sort of statistic. What we can count are the increase or decrease in dead bodies as gun laws fluctuate like in DC.
Nobody is going to a FEMA camp because they are 'rounded up by government goons'. They are moving in because they are poor and have nowhere else to go at a comparable price. So what does your post have to do with anything in a conversation about guns?
First of all, that 90% figure is completely bogus... and has been PROVEN to be completely bogus. The figure is that 90% of the guns that the Mexican police ASK the ATF to trace are from the United States. Not even close to the same thing.
Second of all, less than half of THOSE are bought in legal FFL transactions.
Thirdly, even if NO guns were available from the United States, any mechanically competent 12 year old could make a tube smg from $100 worth of hardware store parts no NO special tools.
Fourthly, you're right. Guns DON'T kill people. It IS the drug prohibition violence. So why is it your smarmy little message seems to be that the answer is yet more prohibitions?
This propaganda isn't even entertaining. It's just sad.
If we consider the denotative definition of "kill", then yes guns do kill people.
That being said, what we need to be concerned about is "murder". Murder requires intent and "murder" is what persons are actually referring to when they say "Guns don't kill people. People kill people."
Since only humans can have intent, only humans can murder. If we outlaw guns because they can be used to kill persons, then we should outlaw cars, airplanes, hammers, baseball bats, knives and any number of other inanimate objects.
(The use of) cars kills many times the number of persons as the use of firearms. Are you ready to support the legislation to ban the public menace that is the automobile?
I have a request for you: rather than tossing around your massive vocabulary of expletives, why don't you try formulating an intelligent rebuttal backed by facts. (I know you won't... because all of the facts support my side of the argument; only ill-formed opinion resides with those on your side of this debate.)
heres a fun fact, guns are easy to fire. one little flick of the finger can send a bullet into anything its pointed at. now im not saying its hard to use a bat, knife, or cars. But those have more limited range and require more effort from the person weilding the item in question. Plus, its easier to defend oneself from these items than it is to dodge a bullet.
one may argue that if we take away guns, then only criminals would have guns. But a criminal is only a criminal when he/she gets caught, until then he/she is probably just an average Joe/Jane like us. As for drug cartels, mafias and whatnot, they would seem alot less threatening without a gun in their hands.
also you say that since people try banning guns just because they can be used to kill people and cars, hammers, bats, ect. should be outlawed beside them. But these other items have different intended uses. i mean how do you hammer a nail with a gun?
So you really think that the gang bangers, drug dealers, and violent criminals are just going to hand over their guns to law enforcement because there's now a "gun ban".
What actually happens is that violent crime actually goes up as criminals pretty much know that the civilian population can't fight back and their only threat is the police who are generally 10-15 minutes away. Do your research. Gun bans cause gun crime to increase. Look at Chicago, DC, Australia, and the UK.
In a fantasy world, all the guns magically disappear. In the real world, the criminals keep, make, or import their guns and continue their criminal activity with less resistance than ever.
This video points out how logic works in the media works today. To use an analogy, we should "cut our noses off our faces" when we get a cold because its the thing that is runny and full of snot and so bothersome and unsightly. Hey Liberal Media. Get a clue. How do you stop guns? Has someone actually put an RFID tag on these things and watched it work its way across the border, into a gangster's hands and then pull its own trigger. GUNS BAD. Yeah, I get the bias. It so stupid, I can't even imagine how to respond. Solve the underlying problem and people won't need to "cut their noses off" in order to deal with a symptom of a bigger thing called a disease. Lies by the media only distort and provide a sense of doing something, when in fact, you do nothing. After seeing Scarface, did you want to outlaw chainsaws? IDIOTS!!!!!!
Hey idiot moron, there is no such thing as a "Liberal Media." Who do you think owns all of the major media outlets? Corporations or rich, greedy individuals like Rupert Murdock, that's who. This ridiculous attempt to paint big media as "liberal" is totally f**king asinine. Do you actually believe that Time Warner or GE or Rupert Murdock would ever allow anything of real substance to be broadcast on their networks? You right-wing numb nuts are so totally misinformed it isn't even humorous any more. Try reading something other than the conservative rags, watching something other than Faux News and try listening to something other than that bile spewing Limbaugh and you might actually get a clue to what is really happening.
You might want to go easy on the "idiots" comments, since you believe, despite a mountain of evidence to the contrary, that the corporately owned media are liberal. Only a brain-dead, kool-ade-drinking, right-wing, drooling-inbred cretin still believes that load of horsecrap.
Grow a clue, dimbulb. The Brits have had a handgun ban for ages, as do all other civilized nations, and their gun deaths are a fraction of ours. The reason ours don't work is you have DC, for example, with a handgun ban right next door to Virginia. which allows anybody to buy a handgun a month. Who the hell needs a handgun a month? It's not as if they have a limited shelf life.
Following are facts on handgun deaths and injuries in the US, from the Brady Campaign:
"In 2006, 30,896 people in the United States died from firearm-related deaths – 12,791 were murdered; 16,883 killed themselves; 642 were accidents; 360 died by police intervention, and in 220, the intent was unknown. In comparison, 33,651 Americans were killed in the Korean War and 58,193 Americans were killed in the Vietnam War.
An additional 69,863 people were shot and survived their injuries -- 48,676 people injured in an attack; 4,291 people injured in a suicide attempt; 15,698 people shot accidentally, and 1,198 people shot in a police intervention.
In 2004, firearms were used to murder 56 people in Australia, 184 people in Canada, 73 people in England and Wales, 5 people in New Zealand, and 37 people in Sweden. In comparison, firearms were used to murder 11,344 in the United States.
In 2007, there were 198 justifiable homicides by private citizens using firearms in the United States."
Over 100,000 deaths and injuries a year in the US, compared to 198 justifiable homicides annually, by people using their guns in self defense. You don't even need to do a cost/benefit analysis to see that those numbers don't justify unregulated gun ownership on the basis of self defence.
Just to compare apples to apples, Australia's per capita handgun murder rate works out to works out to 0.26 per 100,000 people, 0.55 in Canada, 0.14 in Englsnd and Wales, 0.16 in New Zealand, 0.41 in Sweden, and a whopping 3.88 in the US. That's 15 times the Australian rate, 7 rimes Canada, almost 28 times England and Wales, 24 times New Zealans, and 9 1/2 times Sweden. Tell me again how handgun control hass no effect on murder rates, pinhead. Oh, yeah, and the per capita rate of justifiable homicides in the US is 0.07 per 100,000. Whoopee. Beeak out the freakin' champagne.
The reason you can't imagine how to respond, is your own idiocy. The media lies all right, but it is rhe right wing doing the lying: Rush Limbaugs, eaan Hannity, Michelle Malkin, Anne Coulter, and Glenn Beck, just to name a few, are the liars. Proven liars beiieved only by pissants like yourself, whose ignorance is matched only by their arrogance and gullibility. "Scarface" was fiction, dipshit. You probably believe the "ticking time bomb" scenario from "24" is a legitimate possibility. too. Wrong again. It has never happened in the real world.
Unfortunately, you don't live in the real world with the rest of us, and until such time as you do take up residence here, I suggest you STFU.
Myth: Gun control in Australia is curbing crime
Fact: Crime has been rising since a sweeping ban on private gun ownership. In the first
two years after gun-owners were forced to surrender 640,381 personal firearms,
government statistics show a dramatic increase in criminal activity.61 In 2001-2002,
homicides were up another 20%.62
From the inception of firearm confiscation to March 27, 2000, the numbers are:
• Gun murders up 19%
• Armed robbery up 69%
• Home invasions up 21%
The sad part is that in the 15 years before national gun confiscation:
• Firearm-related homicides dropped nearly 66%
• Firearm-related deaths fell 50%
Fact: Gun crimes are rising throughout Australia after guns were banned. In Sydney
alone, robbery rates with guns rose 160% in 2001, more in the previous year.63
Fact: A ten year study that concluded Australian firearm confiscation had no effect on
crime rates.64 A separate study concluded Australia’s 1996 gun control laws “found [no]
evidence for an impact of the laws on the pre-existing decline in firearm homicides.”65
61 Crime and Justice - Crimes Recorded by Police, Australian Bureau of Statistics, 2000.
62 Report #46: Homicide in Australia, 2001-2002, Australian Institute of Criminology, April 2003.
63 Costa targets armed robbers, The Sydney Morning Herald, April 4, 2002.
64 Gun Laws and Sudden Death: Did the Australian Firearms Legislation of 1996 Make a Difference?, Dr.
Jeanine Baker and Dr. Samara McPhedran, British Journal of Criminology, November 2006.
65 Austrian firearms: data require cautious approach, S. McPhedran, S. McPhedran, and J. Baker, The
British Journal of Psychiatry, 2007, 191:562
That may be true.. but some of this has to do with culture. Britain has tight gun control laws and a high crime rate. Canada has tight gun control laws and a low crime rate. US has loose overall gun control laws and a med-high crime rate. Taking the guns out of the equation may or may not solve anything. Creating the stigma that crime in general does not pay and lessens the value of the individual may.
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1. There many be about near
1. There many be about near of beteen is 25,000 (01) F.F.L.s is Left in the U.S.A. Now too!
I Think the author here
I Think the author here needs to get this erroneous video fixed.
Does Gun Walker mean anything?
Search 'ATF SCANDAL'....that'll help ;-)
I think the website author
I think the website author needs to remove the Gringo Guns if he wants to keep any bit of integrity.
Its coming out now that the ATF did actually know about and instruct gun stores and ATF agents to allow guns to be purchased and taken into Mexico.
http://thetruthaboutguns.com/2011/02/robert-farago/atf-gunwalker-scandal...
http://web77.org/2ndamendment/?page_id=171
Just sayin'
1.Note: There is now is
1.Note: There is now is before was total of 01 F.F.L.s Dealers before is( 39,000 Retailers Busineses in 01/01/2010 A.D. too! The Latest Count too! on 11/21.2010 A.D. There is Sharp Decline on: 01 Gun Dealers too! The total Count is now is 37,000 01 Dealers Retailers in 50 States too! The Latest Count is now too! Thankyou,
1. We need cut down the
1. We need cut down the Number of (01) F.F.L.s to maxium U.S.A. A U.S.Enforcement of a: Limit to: 10,000 01,Licences on federal level only too! & State Licences to on State Level too! No Extras Applications from A.T.F. & State Licences from the Sheriffis Dept. of Licening of Country Groverment & State you live in too! Agreed!! 2. The State Groverments of 50 States to: there will be a,(Maxium Number of a Cap limit No. 01 F.F.L.s Dealers is (200)(01) By the A.T.F. Rules State Groverment Level too!) Limited Cap is enforced by the 200 State Licences is issued by Sheriffis Dept. of all counties of entire all 50 States too!! Agreed! This will slow down the Criminals Ganges Groops of the Under world of Gun Running of Stolen Hand Guns Groups & Druges near the Mexicam 2000 mile border too! Gulf of Mexico ocean up to Florida Cost too! Ture!!! 3. The Renuals for 3 years is fee $$$ (2500.00 & be Finger Printed every time you applyed for new F.F.L.s (01) Licences on Federal Level First too!!! Paid in Full too!!! Agreed!!! They Will not Exeeded the Federal Limit of 10,000 Dealers Licences & State Licences on Federal U.S.A. Level is not to be exeeded of 10,000 01 Licences & State Licences on Fed U.S.A. Agreed!!!#1 3a. The State Licence at State Level too! The Renuals Fees is 3 yrs too. Be Finger Printed Again When you applyed new State licences every Time you Applyed new State Licence $$$ Cost $ 1250.00 Fee is paid in full too! There will not exeeded the maxium number of Gun Dealers Retailer not passing at State Level of 200 01 & State Licences is issued by Sheriffis Department of State Licences to Sell Hand Guns & all Firearms at State Level too! 2.# They will Not to Exeed Limit of 01 Licences & State Licences too! true!!! Agreed Thank you,
40 reasons to ban guns 1.
40 reasons to ban guns
1. Banning guns works, which is why New York, DC, Detroit & Chicago cops need guns.
2. Washington DC's low murder rate of 69 per 100,000 is due to strict gun control, and Indianapolis' high murder rate of 9 per 100,000 is due to the lack of gun control.
3. Statistics showing high murder rates justify gun control but statistics showing increasing murder rates after gun control are "just statistics."
4. The Brady Bill and the Assault Weapons Ban, both of which went into effect in 1994 are responsible for the decrease in violent crime rates, which have been declining since 1991.
5. We must get rid of guns because a deranged lunatic may go on a shooting spree at any time and anyone who would own a gun out of fear of such a lunatic is paranoid.
6. The more helpless you are the safer you are from criminals.
7. An intruder will be incapacitated by tear gas or oven spray, but if shot with a .357 Magnum will get angry and kill you.
8. A woman raped and strangled is morally superior to a woman with a smoking gun and a dead rapist at her feet.
9. When confronted by violent criminals, you should "put up no defense - give them what they want, or run" (Handgun Control Inc. Chairman Pete Shields, Guns Don't Die - People Do, 1981, p. 125).
10. The New England Journal of Medicine is filled with expert advice about guns; just like Guns & Ammo has some excellent treatises on heart surgery.
11. One should consult an automotive engineer for safer seat belts, a civil engineer for a better bridge, a surgeon for internal medicine, a computer programmer for hard drive problems, and Sarah Brady for firearms expertise.
12. The 2nd Amendment, ratified in 1787, refers to the National Guard, which was created 130 years later, in 1917.
13. The National Guard, federally funded, with bases on federal land, using federally-owned weapons, vehicles, buildings and uniforms, punishing trespassers under federal law, is a "state" militia.
14. These phrases: "right of the people peaceably to assemble," "right of the people to be secure in their homes," "enumerations herein of certain rights shall not be construed to disparage others retained by the people," and "The powers not delegated herein are reserved to the states respectively, and to the people" all refer to individuals, but "the right of the people to keep and bear arms" refers to the state.
15. "The Constitution is strong and will never change." But we should ban and seize all guns thereby violating the 2nd, 4th, and 5th Amendments to that Constitution.
16. Rifles and handguns aren't necessary to national defense! Of course, the army has hundreds of thousands of them.
17. Private citizens shouldn't have handguns, because they aren't "military weapons'', but private citizens shouldn't have "assault rifles'', because they are military weapons.
18. In spite of waiting periods, background checks, fingerprinting, government forms, etc., guns today are too readily available, which is responsible for recent school shootings. In the 1940's, 1950's and 1960's, anyone could buy guns at hardware stores, army surplus stores, gas stations, variety stores, Sears mail order, no waiting, no background check, no fingerprints, no government forms and there were no school shootings.
19. The NRA's attempt to run a "don't touch" campaign about kids handling guns is propaganda, but the anti-gun lobby's attempt to run a "don't touch" campaign is responsible social activity.
20. Guns are so complex that special training is necessary to use them properly, and so simple to use that they make murder easy.
21. A handgun, with up to 4 controls, is far too complex for the typical adult to learn to use, as opposed to an automobile that only has 20.
22. Women are just as intelligent and capable as men but a woman with a gun is "an accident waiting to happen" and gun makers' advertisements aimed at women are "preying on their fears."
23. Ordinary people in the presence of guns turn into slaughtering butchers but revert to normal when the weapon is removed.
24. Guns cause violence, which is why there are so many mass killings at gun shows.
25. A majority of the population supports gun control, just like a majority of the population supported owning slaves.
26. Any self-loading small arm can legitimately be considered to be a "weapon of mass destruction" or an "assault weapon."
27. Most people can't be trusted, so we should have laws against guns, which most people will abide by because they can be trusted.
28. The right of Internet pornographers to exist cannot be questioned because it is constitutionally protected by the Bill of Rights, but the use of handguns for self defense is not really protected by the Bill of Rights.
29. Free speech entitles one to own newspapers, transmitters, computers, and typewriters, but self- defense only justifies bare hands.
30. The ACLU is good because it uncompromisingly defends certain parts of the Constitution, and the NRA is bad, because it defends other parts of the Constitution.
31. Charlton Heston, a movie actor as president of the NRA is a cheap lunatic who should be ignored, but Michael Douglas, a movie actor as a representative of Handgun Control, Inc. is an ambassador for peace who is entitled to an audience at the UN arms control summit.
32. Police operate with backup within groups, which is why they need larger capacity pistol magazines than do "civilians" who must face criminals alone and therefore need less ammunition.
33. We should ban "Saturday Night Specials" and other inexpensive guns because it's not fair that poor people have access to guns too.
34. Police officers have some special Jedi-like mastery over handguns that private citizens can never hope to obtain.
35. Private citizens don't need a gun for self- protection because the police are there to protect them even though the Supreme Court says the police are not responsible for their protection.
36. Citizens don't need to carry a gun for personal protection but police chiefs, who are desk-bound administrators who work in a building filled with cops, need a gun.
37. "Assault weapons" have no purpose other than to kill large numbers of people. The police need assault weapons. You do not.
38. When Microsoft pressures its distributors to give Microsoft preferential promotion, that's bad; but when the Federal government pressures cities to buy guns only from Smith & Wesson, that's good.
39. Trigger locks do not interfere with the ability to use a gun for defensive purposes, which is why you see police officers with one on their duty weapon.
40. Handgun Control, Inc., says they want to "keep guns out of the wrong hands." Guess what? You have the wrong hands.
Wow. This site really draws
Wow. This site really draws out, um, interesting characters--including people who apparently think that political debate consists of making up sh-t, mischaracterizing other sh-t and using some sort of crazy-ass up-is-down logic to tie it all together.
1. The U.S.A Cap Limit In
1. The U.S.A Cap Limit In the Future is (5000) 01 F.F.L.s Dealers too! no extras added too!State Licences,by the Counties too too! By the Sheriffis Dept. of Licening too! Agreed The State Groverment Limit is 50 States to: is 100 01 F.F.L.s &State Licences,Comtrolled by the Sheriffis Dept of Licening Division of Counties too too! Dealers too! No Extras added to the List of 01 Gun Dealers Busineses Numbers is controlled too! Agreed!!
1. The U.S.A. Groverment Cap
1. The U.S.A. Groverment Cap Number Limit is in the Future is (5000) 01 Retailers of F.F.L.s Gun Dealers is maxium number Limit too!It by the A.T.F. Rules too! Will be inforced Immeadly someday ib the Future time too!! There will not be extras not passeed the 5000 Mark Limit for the U.S.A. Too! Agreed!!!! 2. The State Groverment Level is #2 The Maxium Cap Limit, is: in in The Future Time someday too! Agreed! (100) (01)F.F.L.s & State Licences is for fifty States too! It will be no more Then (100) )(01)F.F.L.s Licences to & State Licences as well in the Future too! Someday too! I agreed!!! Reason is: The Street Ganges,of Druges & Stolen Guns are Robbed out of smaller Gun Stores too! The Ganges target smallerb Gun Stores too! true!!!They send Scouts boys or Girls Ganges out there to find smaller gun Busineses too! To See there alot of Hand guns in Glass Cases too!An ammo boxes to true!! Facts are true!!! will have diffiult time to find Stolen Firearms on all the Streets too.In Cites,Townships,towns,in 50 States too. In Counties Roads. State Highways,Busineses, or Interstate Highways too! Were Busineses are located to spot any Gun Stores there too! True! The Gun Stores get Cleaned out too! true!!! Thank you,
1. The Maxium Cap Number 01
1. The Maxium Cap Number 01 F.F.L.s & State Licences is (10,000)&State Licences to Maxium Cap Limit too! No Extras Applications issued too! 2. The 50 States Maxium Cap Limit 01 F.F.L.s is 200-01 Licences & States Licences is Maxium Cap Limit too. No Extras Applications Added for: 01 F.F.L.s & State Licences Added no more too! By the A.T.F. By the Sheriffis Dept. Counties of all 50 States too! Will Abided by it Rules of a Number Cap Limit is Enforced too! I agreed!! Let"s Work on it Now too! Before it gets out of Cantrolled too! In 50 States Or the U.S.A. too! I agreed!!! Thankyou,
1. The Total Of Store Fronts
1. The Total Of Store Fronts & Lots Gun Busineses is left is 50 States is around 30,000 01 F.F.L.s of 01 Licences, Recorded by the A.T.F. Division Of Federal Licening Dept too!! & State Licences to Sell all Firearms to At State Licence Level only too! For all 50 States too! Is Issued by Country Sheriffis Dept. of Licening of the State You live in too! True!!
The total of Store Ftonts
The total of Store Ftonts Retailer Busineses &, Lots is left today on 10/07/2010 A.D. is 30,000 01 F.F.L.s Dealers in 50 States too!! This is latest count of Decline of Gun Retailer Busineses in all in the U.S.A.too!!!
1.The Number of Gun Dealers
1.The Number of Gun Dealers in the U.S.A. is Alot smaller Number too! The F.F.L.s Licences Retailers Gun Dealers Busineses is (30,720 01 F.F.L.s &State Licences too! is the Latest Report in,0ct,5,2010 A.D too! We lost Alot of smaller 01 Gun Dealers Smaller Gun Busineses to: did decline to 19,910 01 F.F.L.s & State- Licences did decline alot too! true!!! Reasonis:F.F.L.s Remuals are $2500.00 every 3yrs Renuals too!An Fingerprinted Agaun to when you apply for a New Federal Licence again too. agreed!!! The State Licences Renuals is $1250.00 3yrs Renuals too! An fingerprinted each time you applu for a new State Licence For Retailer Gun Sales at State Level sell all Firearms too! Agreed There are Federal Laws & State Laws Regulations must be follow by the most current Laws on the books today in 2010 A.D too! I agreed! Law is the Law of Gun Regulations of Retailer Gun Dealers Sales in a Retailer Gun Stores Busineses too! Stores Retailers Outlets & Lots ,Are Sepsrated From the Residential & comunity zones too! An Residential & Cominity Block zones too! Is no F.F.L.s & State Licences Gun Busineses to not Allowed There in those Block Comunity & Residential Zones is off limits aresa by Zoning Commissiion says no You are Denied to apply for a F.F.L.s Licences & State Licences too!!!!!! Rules Do applyed too!!!
Wont work. Never has ever
Wont work. Never has ever will. Its called the black market.
1. We Federal Firearms
1. We Federal Firearms Licences Agents Should Cut off about "(3000)" 01 Smaller, Retailers,Gun Dealers Busineses out immeadly: (01) Licences & State Licences to be not Renuded no more: (in 258 Counties in the hold State of Texas) the Oil & Long Star State is; #1 in F.F.L.s & State Licences is issueed by the Country Sheriffis Dept. of the State Of texas too!!!! 2. There is Should be About U.S/ cap Number Limit is: - No more then; 300 01 F.F.Ls & State Licences is a U.S. cap Number Limit too!!! None should not exeeded no more then: 300 01 & State Licences too! no extras Will not be added no more too! Or the Federal Level of the 50 States of the U.s.a. Too!!! Only for the State of Texas State of 258 Counties too~ i agreed!! To many Killing by Street Gangs, Gs-13 & Fs-13 & Druge Dealers & KingPin Whole Saller Distriber Middle Men & Womwn too! Woman Hoods & Men Hoods of Organized Crime in the States Or The U.S. Or the Nations of the World Order too! True!!! The Renual Fees will Be Offical Fees of 3yrs Renuals for 01 Licences: will cost $ 2500.00 Every time they Renewed there Regular F.F.L.s Licences of (01)s,too!!! & State Licences 3 yrs Renuals is regular State Licences only one Licence,Will Cost; $$1250.00 Will be issued too. For Retailer Gun Dealers Sales to the Public on Market sales to make Money too! agreed!! This will Cut out the Thousands of Smaller Gun Dealers Numbers way down too! There Will be F.F.L.s,Controlled on the Number of Applications are givien out to a certain number will be offical to; by the A.T.F. E.A. Division of Licening at the Federal Level only too! The State Level is the only the,Country Sheriffis Dept. Or the Division of the State Police, Or the Highway Patrolled in some States in the U.S.A. too State Licences Applications on Strick Number Controlled too! The Number of smaller Gun Dealers #1By Trade. Or the Sporting Gun Dealers is #2 Junk shop Dealers will not be issued no more 01 F.F.L.s Licences. & State Licences to sell all Firearms State Level is no more too! They Can"t be Trusted no more too! I agreed Let's Chanage the Laws of federal Level ^ state Level too! Reason is: The Criminals do shop there alot too! To buy illeagal Guns & Ammo too! True isin all the Mid westren States, western States too!!!
In other words, just because
In other words, just because Mexico can't control its crime rates WE have to give up our constitutional rights. And BTW, criminals can get guns from the black market. All your insane policy will do is create defenseless citizens by making it difficult for them to defend themselves. Liberals hate self defense.
Mexico wouldn't have a crime
Mexico wouldn't have a crime rate if it wasn't for American druggies and their demand. Or do you think a trade worth $50 billion a year can be a monopoly?
Self-defense does not
Self-defense does not require fully-automatic weapons.
Unlesss your defending
Unlesss your defending yourself against a dozen + thugs or maybe even something else more powerful.
Nothing keeping homie G or Little Caesar from getting their fully auto's from international dealers or black market hoodies in places like SC LA or Chicago South. (Which I might add bans even hand guns)
WHoever wrote all that crap
WHoever wrote all that crap below about reducing gun dealers. Dream on. They can get their weapons from international dealers and make them in garages which I might add, contrary to the bogus statistics mentioned is the real source of guns in Mexico. Not the USA. If guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns. Regardless where they come from.
1.Alot More Smaller 01
1.Alot More Smaller 01 Retailer Gun Dealers Units need to be reduced too! Let"s cut it down to: (25,315) 01 Dealers in the U.S.A. too! There is 50,630 01 F.F.L.s Dealers Retailers in U.S.A. Store Fronts
1. We meed to , cut down the
1. We meed to , cut down the large Numbers of smaller Gun Dealers too! Near the mexican & U.S. Border too! California,New Mexico,Arzona,Texas, State too! is the 2000 mile Mexican Border too! agreed! 10,000 + 10,000 + 5000 + too 01 Smaller Gun Dealers to Reduced thgen too! most of them are; smaller 01 Retailer Gun Dealers selling Firearms, Longguns,Rifles,shotguns,is used by 4473 form too! Handguns& Revolvers are a Family Presession only by the 50 States Residents only too! Semipistals,Revolvers only sold to U.S. Citizens of the 50 States too! only too! This is a Federal Law,& 50 State Law is only be sold to State Residents of U.S.Citizens in U.S.A. too!! Not Mexicans Illegal Alliens of 15,000,000 & Central,South Americans not U.S. Citizens of the U.s. ia a Federal Crime Violation too! It can get them deported back towards Mexico Country then handed to Mexican Police Athorities to be arrested and put in Jail for life too! The Mexican Druges into U.S. Illegalley too! Don"t want to U.S Citizens at all too! They want to Distroyed U.S, Citizens by getting them on Druges too! By doing that They can take over the hold U.S.A. With firing a shot Across The U.S. Border too! They will almost suscced in there goal to Kill Americams Citizens Are born in the U.s.a. in Fifty States too!!! Workers & Dealers will be excuted too! by the Mexican Courts of Jistice is a death Sentance too! For Druge Dealers &KingPins Whole Dealers Distribors as well too! Arested An Tried and Found Giulty By Mexican Court of law &jury by its peers Familes Were Hurt By the Druge Smugglers Criminals of white Collar &Blue Caller Crime is world Wide issued too! Drugs Smuggers of Aisa, Eurpean Nations Afercia Arabs Nations how hate American Citizens of a Free People is the First Nation of Freedem U.s.Groverment By the People & for the Free People How saffered in Nations Counties not Free Nations too! true ! They came to the U.S to be Free People too! True!! I would think about it for a minute too! To decided to go back to the old nation of Unfreed Nations Prime Ministers ,By Kings Or Qeens Monarks people in power too! True!!!!!!!!
1. We need to tell the
1. We need to tell the Regular F.F.L.s Dealers they Can"t Applyed fo Import & Export Licences of 08 & N.F.A. Licence is 011 too! Been cancel it not Giving theses Application out for now too! We should tell the Druge Carteals Groops of Mexico Workes to:Illegals Alliens of other Counties are Living in: 50 States they can"t Buy any Firearms With there Green Gard the Number is on the Card is not: to used to buy Firearms & N.F.A. Permit of class-03 owners purchused any auto"matic Weapons is no more is Stopped by the A. T.F. of U.S.A. too! The Criminals Illegal Alliens in the U.S.A, will be arested with out question too! by all Police, of towns, TownsShips,Cities, of fifty States too! By the Sherifis Depts of all Counties too! All State Plice, or the Highway Patroll of some States too! Or the U.S Marchalla or the F.B.I. too! Imgration Police Agents to will Arrest them as well too! Central America, South America , Aisa ,Arabs States, Aferica States Nations Triing to Distroyed The U.S.A. as well too! We Americans are the Targets of the Cross hares in a Rifle Scope of a Smiper Rifle of Emenies of Nations of other Counties don"t Like us our way of Life of a Free People Liberity Lady Statide in New York City, With a Torch of Freedom Mation is Good U.S.A too! True! Solution is: The Arozona Law is a Good Law For Illegals Alliens Like to Break out Way of life in the U.S.A too! The First at all! English is offical in #1st in line too! Spanished is rated 2nd in line in the U.S.A too! agreed! We should Arrested the Smugglers Mexicos ofv the Organized Mexico Criminala are in the U.S. to take over the 50 States or t6he hold U.S.A as Television Movie is Red DAWN THE iSSUED TOO! TRUE!!!! WAKE UP AMERICAMS cITIZENS OF 50 STATES IN ALL OF THE U.S.A. Too! It could happer in our country of Quite Ivasion of Foreign Troops Will Take the U.S.A. County over Real Quick too! It could Happen real fast an Quick too!!!!
1. The Number of Gun Dealers
1. The Number of Gun Dealers in the U.S. Now is Around (6000)01 & State Licences with all F.F.L.s Dealers too! The FiFty States Cap No# Limit is per Fifty States Maxium Cap Limit is(130) 01 F.F.l.s too! Solution:is There will be not as many smaller 01 F.F.L.s Holders of smaller Gun Busineses to when time goes by too! This will help the Cities, Townships, Towns, in 50 States too! The F.F.L.s Applications of (01, Retailers GunDealers & 08 is Import & Export Dealers as well too! The State Licences will be:" harder to get applications from the U.S. Treasury of the U.S. Groverment Office of the A.T.F. will harder rules for Foreign Immergrates of Foreign Counties do buy an Gun with a Green Card to the U.S. Groverment done before!Now they will Change that Regulations say no they can"t Any Guns If they are not U.S Citizens at all. too! They will be Denied of the Request too! They don"t Extra Rights over the U.S.Citizens are Borned in the U.S.A too! Agreed! Rulling still Stands today in the Supreme Court of the U.S.A. Too!! Ageed!!!! The Law still Stands today too! In 2010 A.D too!! It Starts With the Mexico Immergrants of Mexico & other Counties as well too! agreed!! Let"s do it Now!! Agreed!!! too! Reason is: Crime & Druges & Guns are Roberies from Street Gangs GS-13 other Gangs just as dangerios to the Law Abiding U.S. Citizens are born in the U.S.A. too! agreed!!! PROBLEM is: Illegal Immergrates of Mexico in the U.S. is 12 Millon + alot more comming from other Counties as well too! true!! We need to cut down the number of Smaller Gun Dealers,GunShops,Sporting Gun Shops , Pawn Shops & Gun Shops 01 F.F.L.s & State Licences is issued by the Sherifis Dept. Counties of the States you Live in too! agreed!! There will be fewer Handguns not on the Streets is no more too! By Town. Township, Cities Police Depsrtments, Or by the Counties Sherifis Dept. , State Police, Or the State Highway Patrolled Police too! Agreed! They are call Crime Stoppers Preventing Street, Or Highway Crime; to om Interstate U.S.Highways too! True!!
Decline in Gun Dealers: in
Decline in Gun Dealers: in U.S.A !! 1. There is about near count of 5000 01 F.F.L.s to 6000 01 F.F.L.s Store Fronts & lot Busineses too! true! im Texas ,Arizonia New Mexico, California too! $ state butt up Agents U.S. Border & Mwxico Border is 2000 miles lenth too! There are"t that many Gun Dealers 01 F.F.L.s holders too! The cap limit is per 50 States too! Is 100 F.F.L.s Miniun of Maxium of Limit is (120) to per 50 States too! Agreed!
Firearms refresher course a.
Firearms refresher course
a. An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject.
b. A gun in the hand is better than a cop on the phone.
c. Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface.
d. Gun control is not about guns; it's about control.
e. If guns are outlawed, can we use swords?
f. If guns cause crime, then pencils cause misspelled words.
g. Free men do not ask permission to bear arms.
h. If you don't know your rights you don't have any.
i. Those who trade liberty for security have neither.
j. The United States Constitution ) 1791. All Rights Reserved.
k. What part of "shall not be infringed" do you not understand ?
l. The Second Amendment is in place in case they ignore the others.
m. 64,999,987 firearms owners killed no one yesterday.
n. Guns only have two enemies: Rust and Politicians.
o. Know guns, know peace and safety. No guns, no peace nor safety.
p. You don't shoot to kill; you shoot to stay alive.
q. 911 - government sponsored Dial a Prayer.
r. Assault is a behavior, not a device.
s. Criminals love gun control - it makes their jobs safer.
t. If Guns cause Crime, then Matches cause Arson.
u. Only a government that is afraid of it's citizens try to control them.
v. You only have the rights you are willing to fight for.
w. Enforce the "gun control laws" we have, don't make more.
x. When you remove the people's right to bear arms, you create slaves.
y. The American Revolution would never have happened with Gun Control.
z. "...a government by the people, for the people..."
Here's a short blurb about
Here's a short blurb about crime rates and gun violence both here and south of the border, originally posted on a Mexican firearms forum by yours truly (a Mexican):
El numero de asesinatos per capita es mayor en Mexico que en los EEUU (2.3 veces mayor), pero hay que tomar en cuenta que los asesinatos con arma de fuego en Mexico son en 20% de los crimenes totales, mientras en los EEUU son el 22%. Asumiendo que los narcotraficantes son el sector criminal mas fuertemente armado en Mexico y por consiguiente el mas propenso a usar armas de fuego en asesinatos, el crimen excluyendo armas de fuego en Mexico es aun 2.4 veces mayor. Asi que, aun atribuyendole el 100% de los asesinatos con armas de fuego al narcotrafico, el numero de homicidios excluyendo armas de fuego en Mexico, es enormemente mayor que en los EEUU aun incluyendo armas de fuego ahi: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Mexico
Ahora, hay que recordar que el total de crimenes sin reportar en Mexico es mucho mayor que en los EEUU (el doble, se estima), asi que el numero de crimenes total, aun excluyendo homicidio, es aun muchisimo mas alto en Mexico.
I hope that your Spanish is not too rusty. In short, it explains how even if we subtract the incidence of gun violence entirely out of the equation, or attribute it exclusively to narcoterror, murder and violent crime in Mexico is still considerably higher, per capita, than in the US. Sorry to burst your bubble, but the per-capita violent crime and murder rates seem to indicate that crime does not correlate to the amount of guns in a society. Cultural and economic factors do. In the case of Mexico, violence, including gun violence is a SYMPTOM of deep societal problems. Guns are not the cause.
You seem to be clueless about these societal problems and their underlying causes. Not surprisingly, you rather parrot official Mexican government propaganda because attempting to actually understand the problem would require effort. It would require that you respect your neighbors to the south enough to have the decency of actually engaging in proper research rather than producing bigotted, stereotypical and deeply ignorant cartoons.
I am sorry that this cartoon
I am sorry that this cartoon has offended you, I personally don't see any bigotry or ignorant cartoons in my opinion. With regards to the current mexican government, in a recent article by Charles Bowden (Charles Bowden, author and journalist based in Tucson, Arizona, who has been extensively covering the human consequences of Mexico’s drug war)
he says the following: "There have been hundreds of complaints in Chihuahua alone filed against the army on human rights grounds. Emilio Gutiérrez Soto, a reporter, is seeking political asylum, because the Mexican army is trying to kill him. And he has to keep moving in this country because of threats.
What the US government is doing is pretending the Mexican army is some partner in some war against drugs. In fact, what’s going on in Mexico is a war for drugs as the economy collapses. The army has moved in and taken over police departments all over the country. It’s moved into state governments. Since this war, this initiative by President Calderon started in December of 2006, 12,000 Mexicans have been slaughtered, but only seventy-two soldiers have died, which is a very strange thing to call a war against drugs. " Charles Bowden
There is no doubt in my mind, that US arms and the Current Mexican government are linked to these acts as well as the narcos. WE ARE ALL LOSING HERE. Mi opinion,
un latino desde NJ
Gringo Guns and SOA
Gringo Guns and SOA training: The U.S. of A. is not just making the hardware for the Mayhem in Mexico available but also provides the necessary skillz and knowledge on how to most effectively use it.
The ZETAS are one of the most ruthless mercenary gangs for Mexican narcotics traffickers. Many of the Zeta leaders have been identified by Mexican officials as former members of an elite paratroop and intelligence battalion known as the Special Air Mobile Force Group, formerly assigned to the state of Tamaulipas, to fight drug traffickers.
Several of them, according to the Mexican government, were trained at the School of the Americas in Fort Benning, Ga. The school, now known as the Western Hemisphere Institute for Security Cooperation, is the U.S. Army's principal Spanish-language training facility for Latin American military personnel.
SOA graduates are responsible for some of the worst human rights abuses in Latin America. In 1996 the Pentagon was forced to release training manuals used at the school that advocated torture, extortion and execution. Among the SOA's nearly 60,000 graduates are at least 11 military, including Manuel Noriega and Omar Torrijos of Panama, Leopoldo Galtieri and Roberto Viola of Argentina, Juan Velasco Alvarado of Peru, and Hugo Banzer Suarez of Bolivia. In Colombia, SOA graduates are working in close connection with the paramilitaries. In Honduras, SOA graduates just overthrew the democratically elected government and installed a coup regime.
In an Orwellian attempt to deflect public criticism and disassociate the school from its dubious reputation, the SOA was renamed the Western Hemisphere Institute for Security Cooperation (WHINSEC).
And your reliable sources
And your reliable sources are what? The Mexican government? Ha!
Seriously, post sources, paisano, or your comment is worthless.
Cualquier buey puede abrir el hocico, pero sin pruebas, de buey no sale.
What fun! Great job- joey
What fun! Great job-
joey racano
Just curious....are you glad
Just curious....are you glad that our "founding fathers" had access to their guns, or would you prefer that we all bow down to the king of England?
Are you suggesting that the necessity for the people to reclaim itself from a corrupt government can not ever happen again now that we're "civilized"?
Do you trust the Government?
The other problem with arguing about statistics is that you can count dead bodies but the "lives saved" are impossible to count. I know people who have protected themselves with guns, but because there was no dead body, they'll never show up in any sort of statistic. What we can count are the increase or decrease in dead bodies as gun laws fluctuate like in DC.
What an ignorant Redneck
What an ignorant Redneck comment. It's the Queen (since 1953 or are you just not current) of the United Kingdom, not the King of England.
This is why many in the world think you're citizens are always in the Excited States, over everything.
Guns good! Health care evil. Priorities?
World Citizen
My dad uset'a say "A little
My dad uset'a say "A little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing." You are illustrating his point remarkably well.
stupid video.
stupid video.
Stupid gunners, these GUN
Stupid gunners, these GUN SHOPS are a CANCER!
Wait till you end up in a
Wait till you end up in a FEMA camp.
Nobody is going to a FEMA
Nobody is going to a FEMA camp because they are 'rounded up by government goons'. They are moving in because they are poor and have nowhere else to go at a comparable price. So what does your post have to do with anything in a conversation about guns?
Wow... where to begin. First
Wow... where to begin.
First of all, that 90% figure is completely bogus... and has been PROVEN to be completely bogus. The figure is that 90% of the guns that the Mexican police ASK the ATF to trace are from the United States. Not even close to the same thing.
Second of all, less than half of THOSE are bought in legal FFL transactions.
Thirdly, even if NO guns were available from the United States, any mechanically competent 12 year old could make a tube smg from $100 worth of hardware store parts no NO special tools.
Fourthly, you're right. Guns DON'T kill people. It IS the drug prohibition violence. So why is it your smarmy little message seems to be that the answer is yet more prohibitions?
This propaganda isn't even entertaining. It's just sad.
Well, I'd like to hear where
Well, I'd like to hear where you get your information. Tell me where you get the info, and you're 100% true (Give or take 77%).
Guns DO kill people and you
Guns DO kill people and you are a f---ing moron.
If we consider the
If we consider the denotative definition of "kill", then yes guns do kill people.
That being said, what we need to be concerned about is "murder". Murder requires intent and "murder" is what persons are actually referring to when they say "Guns don't kill people. People kill people."
Since only humans can have intent, only humans can murder. If we outlaw guns because they can be used to kill persons, then we should outlaw cars, airplanes, hammers, baseball bats, knives and any number of other inanimate objects.
(The use of) cars kills many times the number of persons as the use of firearms. Are you ready to support the legislation to ban the public menace that is the automobile?
I have a request for you: rather than tossing around your massive vocabulary of expletives, why don't you try formulating an intelligent rebuttal backed by facts. (I know you won't... because all of the facts support my side of the argument; only ill-formed opinion resides with those on your side of this debate.)
heres a fun fact, guns are
heres a fun fact, guns are easy to fire. one little flick of the finger can send a bullet into anything its pointed at. now im not saying its hard to use a bat, knife, or cars. But those have more limited range and require more effort from the person weilding the item in question. Plus, its easier to defend oneself from these items than it is to dodge a bullet.
one may argue that if we take away guns, then only criminals would have guns. But a criminal is only a criminal when he/she gets caught, until then he/she is probably just an average Joe/Jane like us. As for drug cartels, mafias and whatnot, they would seem alot less threatening without a gun in their hands.
also you say that since people try banning guns just because they can be used to kill people and cars, hammers, bats, ect. should be outlawed beside them. But these other items have different intended uses. i mean how do you hammer a nail with a gun?
So you really think that the
So you really think that the gang bangers, drug dealers, and violent criminals are just going to hand over their guns to law enforcement because there's now a "gun ban".
What actually happens is that violent crime actually goes up as criminals pretty much know that the civilian population can't fight back and their only threat is the police who are generally 10-15 minutes away. Do your research. Gun bans cause gun crime to increase. Look at Chicago, DC, Australia, and the UK.
In a fantasy world, all the guns magically disappear. In the real world, the criminals keep, make, or import their guns and continue their criminal activity with less resistance than ever.
This video points out how
This video points out how logic works in the media works today. To use an analogy, we should "cut our noses off our faces" when we get a cold because its the thing that is runny and full of snot and so bothersome and unsightly. Hey Liberal Media. Get a clue. How do you stop guns? Has someone actually put an RFID tag on these things and watched it work its way across the border, into a gangster's hands and then pull its own trigger. GUNS BAD. Yeah, I get the bias. It so stupid, I can't even imagine how to respond. Solve the underlying problem and people won't need to "cut their noses off" in order to deal with a symptom of a bigger thing called a disease. Lies by the media only distort and provide a sense of doing something, when in fact, you do nothing. After seeing Scarface, did you want to outlaw chainsaws? IDIOTS!!!!!!
Great Video...
Great Video...
Hey idiot moron, there is no
Hey idiot moron, there is no such thing as a "Liberal Media." Who do you think owns all of the major media outlets? Corporations or rich, greedy individuals like Rupert Murdock, that's who. This ridiculous attempt to paint big media as "liberal" is totally f**king asinine. Do you actually believe that Time Warner or GE or Rupert Murdock would ever allow anything of real substance to be broadcast on their networks? You right-wing numb nuts are so totally misinformed it isn't even humorous any more. Try reading something other than the conservative rags, watching something other than Faux News and try listening to something other than that bile spewing Limbaugh and you might actually get a clue to what is really happening.
You might want to go easy on
You might want to go easy on the "idiots" comments, since you believe, despite a mountain of evidence to the contrary, that the corporately owned media are liberal. Only a brain-dead, kool-ade-drinking, right-wing, drooling-inbred cretin still believes that load of horsecrap.
Grow a clue, dimbulb. The Brits have had a handgun ban for ages, as do all other civilized nations, and their gun deaths are a fraction of ours. The reason ours don't work is you have DC, for example, with a handgun ban right next door to Virginia. which allows anybody to buy a handgun a month. Who the hell needs a handgun a month? It's not as if they have a limited shelf life.
Following are facts on handgun deaths and injuries in the US, from the Brady Campaign:
"In 2006, 30,896 people in the United States died from firearm-related deaths – 12,791 were murdered; 16,883 killed themselves; 642 were accidents; 360 died by police intervention, and in 220, the intent was unknown. In comparison, 33,651 Americans were killed in the Korean War and 58,193 Americans were killed in the Vietnam War.
An additional 69,863 people were shot and survived their injuries -- 48,676 people injured in an attack; 4,291 people injured in a suicide attempt; 15,698 people shot accidentally, and 1,198 people shot in a police intervention.
In 2004, firearms were used to murder 56 people in Australia, 184 people in Canada, 73 people in England and Wales, 5 people in New Zealand, and 37 people in Sweden. In comparison, firearms were used to murder 11,344 in the United States.
In 2007, there were 198 justifiable homicides by private citizens using firearms in the United States."
Over 100,000 deaths and injuries a year in the US, compared to 198 justifiable homicides annually, by people using their guns in self defense. You don't even need to do a cost/benefit analysis to see that those numbers don't justify unregulated gun ownership on the basis of self defence.
Just to compare apples to apples, Australia's per capita handgun murder rate works out to works out to 0.26 per 100,000 people, 0.55 in Canada, 0.14 in Englsnd and Wales, 0.16 in New Zealand, 0.41 in Sweden, and a whopping 3.88 in the US. That's 15 times the Australian rate, 7 rimes Canada, almost 28 times England and Wales, 24 times New Zealans, and 9 1/2 times Sweden. Tell me again how handgun control hass no effect on murder rates, pinhead. Oh, yeah, and the per capita rate of justifiable homicides in the US is 0.07 per 100,000. Whoopee. Beeak out the freakin' champagne.
The reason you can't imagine how to respond, is your own idiocy. The media lies all right, but it is rhe right wing doing the lying: Rush Limbaugs, eaan Hannity, Michelle Malkin, Anne Coulter, and Glenn Beck, just to name a few, are the liars. Proven liars beiieved only by pissants like yourself, whose ignorance is matched only by their arrogance and gullibility. "Scarface" was fiction, dipshit. You probably believe the "ticking time bomb" scenario from "24" is a legitimate possibility. too. Wrong again. It has never happened in the real world.
Unfortunately, you don't live in the real world with the rest of us, and until such time as you do take up residence here, I suggest you STFU.
Myth: Gun control in
Myth: Gun control in Australia is curbing crime
Fact: Crime has been rising since a sweeping ban on private gun ownership. In the first
two years after gun-owners were forced to surrender 640,381 personal firearms,
government statistics show a dramatic increase in criminal activity.61 In 2001-2002,
homicides were up another 20%.62
From the inception of firearm confiscation to March 27, 2000, the numbers are:
• Gun murders up 19%
• Armed robbery up 69%
• Home invasions up 21%
The sad part is that in the 15 years before national gun confiscation:
• Firearm-related homicides dropped nearly 66%
• Firearm-related deaths fell 50%
Fact: Gun crimes are rising throughout Australia after guns were banned. In Sydney
alone, robbery rates with guns rose 160% in 2001, more in the previous year.63
Fact: A ten year study that concluded Australian firearm confiscation had no effect on
crime rates.64 A separate study concluded Australia’s 1996 gun control laws “found [no]
evidence for an impact of the laws on the pre-existing decline in firearm homicides.”65
61 Crime and Justice - Crimes Recorded by Police, Australian Bureau of Statistics, 2000.
62 Report #46: Homicide in Australia, 2001-2002, Australian Institute of Criminology, April 2003.
63 Costa targets armed robbers, The Sydney Morning Herald, April 4, 2002.
64 Gun Laws and Sudden Death: Did the Australian Firearms Legislation of 1996 Make a Difference?, Dr.
Jeanine Baker and Dr. Samara McPhedran, British Journal of Criminology, November 2006.
65 Austrian firearms: data require cautious approach, S. McPhedran, S. McPhedran, and J. Baker, The
British Journal of Psychiatry, 2007, 191:562
Have to love the truth.
That may be true.. but some
That may be true.. but some of this has to do with culture. Britain has tight gun control laws and a high crime rate. Canada has tight gun control laws and a low crime rate. US has loose overall gun control laws and a med-high crime rate. Taking the guns out of the equation may or may not solve anything. Creating the stigma that crime in general does not pay and lessens the value of the individual may.
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