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Do Americans even know what socialism is all about? You can't put communism/marxism and socialism on the same line.
We in Europe, we live in a "mixed economy". Which basically takes the best from capitalism and socialism. If it wasn't for socialism, health care would be in ruins, and poverty would rule.
I know I can get cancer and not have to worry about any bills or an insurance company trying to screw me over because I didn't state I sneezed once in 1993.
I know I can lose my job but not have to worry about falling without a good income.
Middle-class Europeans probably pay way more taxes than American ones; but we also probably earn more.
Pure capitalism only benefits the rich, not the working. I guess the cold war really brainwashed most of you. As if socialism is a disgrace.
America has Republican Senators like this one (Iott, from Ohio, 3rd one from the left), calling Obama a "socialist" -
And a 24/7 fake news channel run by a sc&mbag politics afficionado (Roger Ailes - the same guy who produced the Horton ad and has 40 years behind him in smear campaigns), and a woefully ignorant lynch mob that the press gives far too much attention to.
Hardly anyone votes during the mid-terms, it's sad but true. A lot more people vote during the federal election, not only for the president but for several congressional representatives, and these idiotic venal hack John Birch Society lunatic fringe that has taken over the Republican party is not going to have much influence for much longer.
These teabagging morons and their venal hacks are not "most" of us. They are our country's embarrassment, not our country's voice. They are currently trying to squelch the voice of America - redistricting and even making requirements for voting more stringent (like taking away the elderly citizen's vote by requiring them to not only have a voter ID but a CURRENT drivers license when in the past they could use an expired one for photo ID).
That's the Republican party today.
They need to be run out on a rail so that we can continue getting our heads pulled out of the toilet that they created by squandering a surplus which would have lasted with good stewardship and leaving us not just a huge deficit but a financial disaster and then treating this president like he's their janitor.
Enough is enough. They need to thrown out so we can at least try to recover from their mess.
No, it seems most Americans do not know there is a difference between communism and socialism. If the political system means sharing for the better of everyone, then it must be communism.... *SIGH*
I had no idea some Americans were so f--ing retarded until I watched Glenn Beck, then my jaw literally dropped in amazement. Maybe, if we, as a country, made college education more important, we wouldn't have so many ignorant people, like those who believe socialism = communism.
Do Americans even know what socialism is all about?
Yes, ask any holocaust survivor or siberian exile.
You can't put communism/marxism and socialism on the same line.
They all have one thing in common. Opposition to the ideas of classic liberalism (which we now call libertarionism since the modern liberals reject it.)
We in Europe, we live in a "mixed economy". Which basically takes the best from capitalism and socialism.
Which is why most of Europe has unemployment in the double digits, no freedom and like us have a government that takes away everthing they have "for the greater good"
If it wasn't for socialism, health care would be in ruins, and poverty would rule.
I guess that's why the NHS forces people with terminal cancer on the back burner and by the time they see a GP its no longer curable. Not to mention Netherlands euthanizing weak and sick babies because they don't contribute and are considered parasites.
I know I can get cancer and not have to worry about any bills or an insurance company trying to screw me over because I didn't state I sneezed once in 1993.
Unless of course you don't pay enough taxes or are to feeble to work government projects. Then you don't get life saving treatment, they just give you a placebo and call them in the morning. Either that or they give you the wrong diagnosis or wrong treatment.
Good luck finding a job in Europe! HA! Then again why bother working with all those programs that give you free handouts for not working?
If you don't get to keep the fruits of your labor like we used to in the US your still screwed. Dont matter if the glass hits the stone or the stone hits the glass... Middle class? Probably just barely in between like my family was back when I was younger. Having to work 2 jobs and barely paying the bills all because we keep getting fleeced to pay for 32 year old grandmothers and their litters and childrens litters so they can keep uploading gestating and downloading and contribute nothing and make trouble.
Pure capitalism only benefits the rich
Like those folks in the Chinese communist party who live off the masses or people who start off with nothing like Andrew Carnagie, Warren Buffet, ETC.
not the working
No! They have to stay in squalor and starve.
guess the cold war really brainwashed most of you
No, If want to understand why socialism flops over everytime, just go talk to those people from Cuba who risk their lives on rickety rafts in shark infested waters to come here or anyone who tried to ran over the Berlin wall or mig fighter pilots who risk their lives flying here. Having all these freebies like socialized healthcare is no good if you have no rights or and semblance of liberty.
Yup. Amazing how communists claim to be for workers and the workers are worse off than under the previous regime which had very little semblance to capitalism. Liberals are always teaching that rich people go that way off other people's backs. Baloney! They got that way because they lived in a free country. Sadly we are not anymore.
Amazing isn't it on the other hand that our poor here in America are fat?
Mark Fiore does not argue a issue he just name calls. Just like all liberals he has lost and there is nothing else to do.
Btw- No ones ever heard of you.
I haven't heard any Tea Party members make a point on any issue either. If they are so anti-government why do they not protest by refusing to accept their Social Security a program started by another Socialist FDR.
I noticed most are the color of sheep and respond well to the battle cry "Socialist". You realize of course that this is the Master Plan of the Bushes and their desire to promote a New World Order controlled by the Illuminate and the Federal Reserve. They allow the inner city gangs to run wild to keep the sheep in line with fear. You also realize that your credit cards used at rallies allow the government to compile a database for future roundups for the camps that being prepared.
Great Cartoon by the way,
Charlie in Texas, awaiting orders from my Cell Leader.
The Tea Party is not anti-Government, we're for small, limited Federal Government, as outlined in the Constitution. We are also for reforming the current IRS. We weren't around when FDR created SS.
Bush is socialist? REALLY? obama and his clan are the marxist/socialists. obama is on record of calling for Global Governance and the New World Order.
obama is not a socialist!!! I wish!!
Unfortunately Teaparties weren't around at that time either.
And unfortunately I was FORCED to pay into SS for my entire life. I should get out what I put in, but I probably won't since every politician has gang raped the program.
There is no lock box - it's a myth. So when the average teacher in WI makes $74K and the average private sector employee makes $49K....can you remind me why the private sector taxpayer should continue to fund their healthcare, retirement, etc while the teachers have paid very little as a % for both their pensions?
Just like Obamacare - it SO good....that he and all of Congress are exempt....their healthcare is the best and they barely pay a dime for it.
Funny...if it's so good...what are they all lined up for it?
THe cartoon was pretty lame!
Are you freaking serious? The whole point of that video was to satirize Tea Party members who do noting but namecall.
The only way to deal with the ignorant garbage being spewed out by the Tea Party is with humor. Thanks, Mark
If that's the case, then how did he win the prize?
IMPEACH b. HUSSEIN obama
on what grounds?
Hey Mark another word for "teabag" speech "Impeach" "Impeach" and what about "Rill" (as in real) or "Repill" (for repeal) or just "reload" for *wink,wink* votes!
Yes, we can learn to speak teabag!
Pathetic racist teabagging cowardly loser.
What a waste of time. because. the tea party is not going anywhere.They are just now shifting gears.First they take down the libs in Nov. after that we get the big one. you know,2012. So try and try but you will fail fail fail. The genie is out of the bottle. Don't you people ever learn.
Tea party are just plain imbeciles; you , cons, will lose big in Nov and will continue to cry and be even angrier after 2012. I am looking forward to some nice confrontations. We're reloading too!
These folks act as if America did not try living without many of our laws or social services
But in reality our 1st 100-150 years were just that on a 24 hor basis, but as human natures Horrific abuses of the common people (which is an obvious result when allowing the rich & powerful to do whatever they like
24-7) & if you think its any different in the modern world,
Many of your fellow tea heads are walking prime examples of why the dangers are just as great-
( The example being the modern era's dirt poor 'American Conservative Propaganda victims who sadly walk around all day with their minds having been replaced by endless regurgitation's of recent FOX/GOP & AM Hate Radio broadcasts ,all the while complaining about issues that have absolutely nothing to do with their own situations.
Without laws & control systems , those in a position too, can & will manipulate financial market systems for their own gain regardless of the nations peril until anarchy rules the day.
The thought that the " Leave us alone" system of economics did not already demonstrate its glaring short comings is either spewed from the holes of those who are dying to impose such abuses (The 1% Trillion-ares) or are simply childlike in their ignorance regarding our countries history (Like your hero Glen Beck who creates his own versions of history ) regardless of any pesky facts. (This is why he has to lie about FDR & his efforts to clean up the mess left by the very people who serve as warnings from our past)
What the f--k?
A Constitutional analogy that liberals might understand.
Imagine that you and several associates enter into an unbreakable lifetime contract to set up a charity to feed the poor. You set up a charter, a mission statement and establish rules to change the established methods and practices of the charity. You elect an "executor" to carry out the mission of the charity. The charter and contract (which you cannot break) says that you must give 20% of your gross income to the treasury which will then be used to feed the poor. For a time, the executor carries out the duties of his office faithfully, but after a while, in addition to buying food for the poor, he buys firearms for them "so they can protect themselves". Let us say that you disagree with this and resent the fact that your money is going to this purpose. When the executor comes up for election again, he retains his seat, because the majority of the members agree with his "pro gun" rhetoric. The majority does not have enough votes to satisfy the rules for changing the mission statement to include buying guns. So you have a situation where an organization is taking the money of a member and the executor uses that money in a manner that, not only does the member disagree with, but that is outside the authority of the office of that executor to perform. Whether or not the majority agrees with the executor's policy, the executor does not have the authority to act in a manner beyond the written methods and practices of the charity. Would you seek to find a replacement for the executor who has overstepped the authority you gave him to act on your behalf, or would you just sit back, shut up and pay for a policy you disagree with?
This is the situation we constitutional conservatives find ourselves in. The constitution is the charter and rules and the government is the executor. No matter how much any majority wants the government to do a thing, if it falls outside the specific authority that the constitution spells out, It is outside the authority of government to act.
Your attempt at an analogy fails in total due to your total lack of understanding of the Constitution, its foundations and the intent of the Founding Fathers. The Founding Fathers were not 'conservatives' in anyway.
There are somethings I will admit that President Obama, unfortunately like his war criminal and Constitutional trampling predessor did before him, has continued. He has kept GITMO open, he has continued illegal rendition and wiretaps, he has continued two illegal wars; but I did not see any of you so called 'Constitutional conservatives' say anything about those major actions when the Bush crime family and RICO organization and war profiteers were in office.
Had you and your ilk been alive in 1776 you would had the mantle of "Tory" and sold out the Founding Fathers and their families and supporters.
your comments are hillarious. You are a tea bagger.! LOL
Section 8 - Powers of Congress
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States
Truth is, the Constitution is pretty vague, and highly open to interpretation. So I don't know how claiming to drape your side of the argument in this document is relevant. Because right there it says it has the right to take care of the "general Welfare" of the country; whatever that means is open to interpretation by the people of the country, who speak through their representatives. It's imperfect and nobody gets exactly what they want, but everybody gets a little bit of something they need, and hopefully it makes all of our lives a little bit better.
I'm not the author you were responding too but I thought I should make a point. If you read further into section 8, it gives a list of items do which I interpret as items congress can as part of "promoting the general welfare". So the question really is, can congress make a law regarding something that isn't on that list because it’s a separate paragraph and thus a separate thought or is the whole section supposed to be taken together as one organized statement?
Personally I think it’s fairly obvious that our founding fathers meant it as one organized statement to be taken as a whole and not "pick and choose" where to stop in the section. However this has been the discussion since our country's creation and so long as people have an agenda, they will do what they can to support their beliefs regardless of which side the issue they are on. That’s why IMO the 10th amendment is one of the most over looked yet one of the most important amendments to the constitution. It gives the people and states the power to keep the federal government in check.
What many I have spoken with seen to forget is we are a representative republic not a democracy. The envisioned structure was the states answer to the people and the federal government answers to the states with the federal government existing only to protect the states from each other, from foreign powers, and to guarantee individual freedom's/rights couldn't be taken away. Getting away from this structure IMO is part of the reason there are so many problems in general within our government today.
Anyway like I said it’s just my opinion I just wanted to pose the question regarding the constitution as I did above.
An actual intellectual discussion, rather than name calling? I love it.
The argument that the constitution is a fixed document and not subject to interpretation was brought up in the constitutional convention that led to the 10th amendment, some members of the convention wanted the words "expressly" added to the 10th amendment...i.e. The powers not EXPRESSLY delegated to the United States by the Constitution...but they lost...and what we end up with is a gloriously flexible document that allows for the elimination of slavery(which was not conceivable at the time of ratification)and which allows for the integration of schools (which , if left to the states would still exist in some parts of the country).
By the way, the "Implied Powers" concept was tested right out of the box by Alexander Hamilton; regarding the appropriateness of National bank...Hamilton won the implied powers argument.
The original purpose of the Constitution was to limit the power of the federal government therby creating freedom and liberty. THE 10th amendment was for states rights and decentralizing the federal government further and so if the fed should become as corrupted and out of control (as it is now,) states can secede and not have to go off the cliff and adopt totalitarianism as well.
As for your ridiculous arguement about slavery and integration and the constitution being a flexable arguement. The 13th amendment came at a disasterous cost. A civil war that cost us more lives than any other war we have ever fought not to mention a giagantic government that can interfere with our freedoms and our liberties. As for integration, it was the government in the first place that made it possible. It wasn't until Brown VS Board of education that integration was found to be unconstitutional as it violated the 14th amendment and the clause that all men are created equal. There should never have been a public education system to begin with since all it does is dumb down our children to become zombies blindly obeying the state unquestioningly.
What you liberals fail to understand is that our rights come from God not government. Any government capable of giving you anything you desire also has the power to take away everything you have. Which is why our founders gave us a constitution that is DEAD as a doornail. The amendments may change but the intent and the virtue is the same. Less government more freedom.
Because power corrupts, society's demands for moral authority and character increase as the importance of the position increases.
Democracy... while it lasts is more bloody than either aristocracy or monarchy. Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There is never a democracy that did not commit suicide.
Government is not reason, it is not eloquence, it is force; like fire, a troublesome servant and a fearful master. Never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action
And the intellectual argument dies as fast as it arrives... *sigh*
Oh Really? So how did it die? I Actually agree with that statement. I would of course add emphasis that it was the government in the first place that MANDATED that schools segregate according to race.
You know, when the first person was surprised by intellectual debate, it's because people like you have been the rule, with your complete inability to reason or learn history. If you mean STATE governments, then you'd be right.
State government federal government They're all corrupt and evil when not kept in check. What are you going to do when your government turns around on you and starts persecuting you? Germany's government on the federal level promoted boycotts and pogroms against the Jews.
Godwin's Law violated. Sorry, thanks for playing.
"The law and its corollaries would not apply to discussions covering genocide, propaganda, eugenics (racial superiority) or other mainstays of Nazi Germany, nor, more debatably, to discussion of other totalitarian regimes, since a Nazi comparison in those circumstances may be appropriate."
It seems the law has not been violated. ;)
But the law is hilarious! :D
Yes, Thank you. and anyways it wasnt just Germany, Soviet Russia's government also used the same thing against Jews as well as the Kulaks. Lets not also forget South Africa. In all these situation government was the one encouraging and mandating racism and discrimination in the first place. It goes to show that government IS incapable of promoting freedom. Just the opposite
Yes, these "teabag" types are unfit to be fellow citizens, or vote for our leaders, but unfortunately there seem to be a lot of them. Mostly in the South. How about we cut them loose, let them have their own country their own way, and also pay the 7 trillion dollar bill they racked up during the reign of the murderous war criminal G. W. Bush? We could probably get Universal Healthcare going up North here within the year if we get rid of the nutjobs. We should start a program that encourages the greedy right-wing nutjobs to move to Florida and Texas. The zero state income taxes down there should appeal to their greed (nevermind the lack of public services, they like that!). Say, how much would Mexico pay us for Texas, anyway? Would it repay for Iraq, the tax cuts for the rich, and the bailouts? We could throw in Florida, maybe Mexico and Cuba could split the cost, divvy up the land, and we could give them a 30-year mortgage on it (heh heh, how apropos)...
Ad hominem. Don't get me wrong, Im all for states seceding. we can have an independant nation based on liberty and freedom and you go ahead and set up your communist dictatorship. 7trillion dollars? No it was your giagantic socialist government that left us that crap. Not to mention in addition to wars, welfare payments to drug dealers, felons, chesters, and other low lives who dont want to contribute. We'll send you oour own there and everyone where you live can come live here and enjoy freedom and prosperity.
Absolutely. Let's just say to them, "You know what happened at Appomattox Courthouse? Our bad. We're sorry. You all just go ahead and go, OK? And don't let the door hit you on the way out."
I love you, Mark. Thank you for bringing humor to what up until now I have found as a completely depressing devolution of our national "values." It makes me feel sick to my stomach that these people consider themselves patriotic... psychotic maybe, but patriotic- not a chance. The violent nature of some of the commentaries here illustrate that. It feels very liberating to be able to laugh at how crazy our Country can be. Thank you so much.
The truly sad thing is that the tea-baggers reveal just how uneducated and illiterate our nation's citizens have become. These people do not have an inkling of what the Founding Fathers stood for, of the philosophy behind the Constitution and Bill of Rights, or the dire need that they saw for separation of church and state. If these tea-baggers and the rest of the current so called 'conservatives' were alive in 1776 they would have been called 'Tory' and they would have sided with Benedict Arnold and the British. Their posture is one akin to supporting aristocracy, something the Founding Fathers hated with a passion.
right on target!
Hilarious! I especially love the angry and muttering teabag at the beginning.
Geithner Needs Your Help!!!
your sure get a lot of opinionated, one eyed people commenting on here...their comments are almost as funny as you
just because it is animated, has bright colors & has a condescending soundtrack complete with a lame laugh track does not automatically qualify a cartoon as funny no matter what the topic. unfortunately, this is true of this "tea bag" cartoon. it is a snide, shallow, swipe at humor that deprives fiore's fans of his usual wit. it's almost like he felt obliged to do a "tea bag" item and this was his half-hearted offering.
seriously, this was a sad, intellectually inept, humorless effort...yawn...
Lack of wit.totally simplistic.no sarcasm.just plumb stupid cartoon.
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