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The best cartoon I've ever
The best cartoon I've ever seen. I'ts really really great .
:D funny! we need health
:D funny! we need health care not based on "employer". best way to fix MediCare & MedicAid? Put ALL public officials, employees senators, congresspersons, president etc. on it! And see how quickly they will fix it! Mark, make some cartoon about the "organ harvesting"...?
We already have universal
We already have universal healthcare
Its in Massachusetts.
absolutely hilarious, to bad
absolutely hilarious, to bad some people are suggesting something similar to this hilarity as reality.
I suggest reading
I suggest reading this.
http://www.kff.org/healthreform/upload/healthreform_sbs_full.pdf
Emergency room visit for
Emergency room visit for a broken arm in the U.K. £0 Free. X-Ray's showing fracture £0 Free. Next Day surgery for metal plate and screws followed by and overnight at the hospital £0 Free. Medication £0 Free. Watching the U.S. Right wing scare the hell out the public with Socialist Health Care... Priceless!
Mark, that cartoon made me
Mark, that cartoon made me laugh with a bit of appall and nervousness. THAT CARTOON IS SERIOUSLY EVIL, NOT FUNNY AT ALL!
BOO! If you were trying to make a mockery of the protests, I think you just made a mockery of yourself! There could've been a better way showing the point! Reminds me of Bohemian Grove stuff!
Best. cartoon. EVER. :)
Best. cartoon. EVER. :)
Great cartoon Mark. You keep
Great cartoon Mark. You keep me sane. I can't believe the poison that is put out there by the right wing. In this day and age, it's amazing the smears and misinformation they attempt. Unfortunately the Swift Boating works if we just roll our eyes are assume that the average American won't be taken in my the obnoxious fiction
This is ascream, Mark! One
This is ascream, Mark! One of the best ones yet!
Fantastic cartoon Mr. Fiore.
Fantastic cartoon Mr. Fiore. I loved the mixed media, it really added a new dimension to your work. And as usual, your sense of humor is much appreciated.
your cartoons are great.
your cartoons are great. Sometimes you explain complex problems and events in two minutes what takes some hours.
keep up good work
I want to see the cartoon
I want to see the cartoon where Mark gets sick in a few months once this healthcare BS starts. That fiasco will be much funnier to me.
Mark: I love you. Brian
Mark:
I love you.
Brian Rembrandt
Mark, This is the most
Mark,
This is the most hilarious one you've done yet!
Keep up the excellent work and, hopefully, the rest of the country will start laughing about this ridiculous fear-mongering foisted on us by Fox and their screaming banshees.
Michelle Wisniewski
Key West, FL
After looking at all the
After looking at all the health-care paranoia from you folks over the past few weeks, this Canadian suspects that about half of all Americans seeing this satire, will think it is real. We are lucky up here, our neighbors do provide us with great, unending laughs!
Sadly, I have to agree with
Sadly, I have to agree with the Canadians! I'm afraid there are a lot of people in this country from the shallow end of the gene pool, who don't understand the concept of 'satire'.
I know your left leaning
I know your left leaning Mark and enjoy your cartoons but this one goes a bit over board in demonizing the opposition. I've read the bill (took me awhile and a lot of aspirin since I'm not a lawyer) but there are some things on it that concern me. I found a good summary on CNN Money of many of the items I found (if anyone cares to look it up) but basically it’s all the spin and its on both sides. I'll note a few just to illustrate.
1. Obama says "if you are happy with your health insurance, you will be able to keep it." Honestly it depends on how you interpret "keep it". Basically as it stands now you will have a 5 year grace period on your current insurance and plan before the government will force the insurance company to offer a plan equivalent to what the government offers in terms of coverage, deductable, etc. In other words, if all you have is emergency health insurance with a high deductable and a reasonable rate for it, you will be forced into "equivalent" plan to what the government offers even if it costs you more. If you change your plan (get married, have a child, or even want to change just to get access to a medical procedure) or of the company modifies it in any way during that 5 years, it must covert the plan into an "equivalent" plan at that time.
2. The government plan reads a lot like the HMO plans of old where only certain doctors, specialists, and hospitals were covered.
3. How can a government plan "compete fairly" with private insurance? To fund the program money will be taken from other programs and premiums will be subsidized by taxes. Private insurance does not have this option plus they must make a profit otherwise what's the point of staying open. The other problem is politicians will control the plan and are elected which means raising premiums to cover additional costs isn't going to get much support but they always have the option of raising taxes again.
Anyway my point is it’s not a level playing field and with this set up any time the government wants to put private insurance out of business they can.
4. The whole death panel thing is just silly and is spin from the opposite side. The difference is instead of an insurance clerk making a call on what to pay or not pay (which could result in death), it will be a government bureaucrat. Either way an unelected “panel” may be deciding if you live or die assuming your not rich enough to just pay. The reason why many seniors are upset is they are scared their Medicare benefits (which they paid into their entire working life) will be cut to subsidize the public option. A reasonable question since a large chunk of the funding for the public option is coming from the bankrupt Medicare program.
5. Add in the privacy issue mentioned above and it’s not difficult to see why "small government" types would be very nervous giving this much "power" to the government. Everyone agrees reform is necessary, the question is, is a potential government take over the answer? Is a 5th government health program (VA, Medicare, Medicaid, CHIP) and all of its bureaucratic redundancy really necessary?
One of the biggest mistakes
One of the biggest mistakes ever made, when it came to healthcare was to allow commercially oriented companies to get involved with it.
I remember a time, and I'm talking about my own country and not the US, that we had a dual system, private insurance for those who earned above a certain set amount, and a governmental run system for everybody else.
Yes, it was paid for by taxes. I for one didn't mind paying a little more in taxes, even though I barely made use of the system. Because I knew, that the money I put in would go to help cover someone who needed the treatment.
These days? It's commercial company this, commercial company that, halleluja free market etc. End result, folks needing treatment are getting it refused for cost effectiveness issues. Premiums keep going up and the damned fat cats who run the companies keep getting more and more insane bonuses to boot.
I don't mind my money going to someone who needs it to get back into good health. I do mind it going to some fat cat, who hasn't done a damned thing, just because I'm healthy enough not to make use of the system *knocks on wood*, thus triggering his bonus conditions, and who subsequently denies others who do need the treatment what they're due.
Although I can't say I agree
Although I can't say I agree with the points you raised I wanted to give you kudos for not being belligerent in your presentation of your thoughts. You were polite and presented your ideas in a well-structured manner. I have been reading lots of comments on a variety of forms, covering a variety of topics and most people are such assholes to each other. Lots of exclamation points and cuss words and accusations. I'm sick of it. Can't we ever just have a discussion? A respectful exchange of ideas? Anyway, this comment was in no way meant to be a condescending pat on the head for you, just genuine applause for your approach to saying what was on your mind.
My hats off to you.
Why thank you. I keep my
Why thank you. I keep my opinions to my self more often than not because of the attacks that they draw (as you can see). This one has actually been pretty mild which is encouraging.
Basically (and honestly) I have always had a natural distrust for government. The idea that "I'm from the government, I'm here to help" doesn't help me sleep at night lol. And our politicians regardless of which party they belong do little to make me think otherwise.
Some reforms (just to list and perhaps start an intelligent discussion) that I think would be a good idea are.
1. Tort Reform. Mal Practice insurance is a huge expense for doctors. While I think there should be legal ramifications against a doctor who causes injury or generally screw up, in some cases IMO it gets out of hand.
2. Regulate insurance so that they can't discriminate against pre-existing conditions.
3. Allow greater competition in the market place. There is only a few "too big to fall" type insurance companies. These insurance companies have a monopoly in certain areas, etc. all of which puts both doctors and consumers at a huge disadvantage. Allowing small business or individuals to buy into a pool to get the rates that large firms can offer to their employees could also help.
4. Allow greater choice on the type of plan you want. For example, is it necessary for a young man or woman to have a plan that covers Viagra? Does a man need a policy (assuming he is unmarried) that covers the many medical procedures and medicines that are woman only and vis versa?
5. I'm not sure how exactly (I’m an engineer not a lawyer or economist lol) but figure out some way to limit premiums. More competition and smaller companies could help but a cap could be in order.
6. I saw an interesting idea from the French system where basically a mobile clinic replaces their ambulance service and many ER visits were eliminated since they were non emergencies treated on the scene. Those that still needed to go to the ER, had initial treatments given and a full evaluation saving ER doctor time which reduced the uncertainty thus saving time and money when some one just walks into the ER.
7. Finally subsidizing low income health insurance to ensure they can afford to buy into a policy be it employer or some sort of "community" plan. If the proposal was to expand an existing program to cover this (like Medicaid), I could support that. I just think a whole new system is just a waste of time and money.
GJ
What "Bill" are you talking
What "Bill" are you talking about? What you [read?] is ONLY a draft of either the House version or the Senate version. There is no tangible bill signed or, much less, even negotiated by Congress yet!!!!
The "draft bill" I'm
The "draft bill" I'm referring to is HR 3200 which if I understand correctly has past through or was about to pass out of committee before the break. My apologies I thought this was a discussion about the "draft bill" as its currently written not a technical evaluation of my understand of congress.
How about you wait until
How about you wait until there's ONE bill, rather than four or five, before you start the assumptions? You know, to save you the effort of having to make up objections more than once.
I'd rather not discourage
I'd rather not discourage the rare intelligent conservative arguments. I've been searching all over for an actual, reasonable, discussion that represented both the good and the bad sides of the plan. That information is aggravatingly difficult to uncover when there's so much talk of "death panels."
Mark Fiori's flash cartoons
Mark Fiori's flash cartoons should be required viewing for all. Great job!!!!
Mark, could you please do a
Mark, could you please do a cartoon about health care "Death Panels" -- not the imaginary ones -- but the real ones that already exist -- at private health insurance companies, handpicked by insurance CEOs?
It's just amazing that the free market morons are so eager to condemn alleged government "death panels" while being completely oblivious to the ones that already exist at private health insurance companies, the ones that rescind dues paying customers' policies when they are diagnosed with serious ailments.
Hey, I am a big fan of Mark
Hey, I am a big fan of Mark Fiore's, and yes, the inflammatory tactics in the spin are ridiculous. But, I gotta say, there are serious, real concerns about mandated vaccines and violations of privacy (i.e., more medical coercion). And no, this is not a paranoid perception. It's preventive awareness. I, who cannot afford insurance presently, would like more cost effective insurance and "care" for those issues that obviate allopathic medicine (I much prefer prevention and a healthy lifestyle overall). But, that said, it is imperative that we the people keep vigilant, preventive tabs on the private interests that will continue to profit and control the populace, even under the rubric of universal health "care."
Certain vaccines already are
Certain vaccines already are manditory, you have to get a bunch to go to kindergarden and the school systems requier they be up to date.
Vaccines ARE preventative
Vaccines ARE preventative medicine; they prevent you from getting the illness in question, and also keep you from spreading it to others. So, objecting to vaccines and desiring preventative medicine would be at counter-purposes.
I've been following this
I've been following this cartoon for about a year now, and this is the first time I've had to turn away from the keyboard, lest I spit my coffee all over it.
Well played, sir!
ReFlex76 Soylent green =
ReFlex76
Soylent green = over population and global warming... I say Visionary!
As for health care reform... all I can say is "do not get sick, do anything and everything to not get sick"... and I do not mean that mean spirited... I mean it is scary scary in US healthcare right now.
Imagine if you are 65, the banks took what you had (bank fiasco), there are no jobs, and you get sick (from stress no doubt). That should scare you to your core... and it is happening all over the states right NOW!
- SPT
WOOT Now this is awesome!
WOOT
Now this is awesome! Good work Mark.....!
Haha, brilliant! I saw the
Haha, brilliant! I saw the feed on your twitter. This has got to be one of the best episodes so far. :) I had to watch it twice to catch everything. XD
Ahhhhhahaha! Loved the
Ahhhhhahaha!
Loved the Solyent Green reference.
To quote his other most
To quote his other most famous role:
"Take your stinkin' paws off me you d***ed dirty ape!" (I don't know about S&P here, so I'm playing it safe)
or, as president of the NRA:
"From my cold dead hands!"
I may not have agreed with his politics, but Charlton Heston was one heck of an actor; and as cheesy as it was, Soylent Green was quite a movie.
"Reform Madness" has just
"Reform Madness" has just been posted. Bonus points for naming the actor in the quick cameo. (The actor besides great voice-actor, John Taylor, of course.)
-MF
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