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Barney must run away. Bush

Barney must run away. Bush said that he would keep this war going even if the only people supporting him were Laura and Barney and we all now Laura is not going to leave him, so it's all up to you, boy! Run boy!
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COTO's picture

Apologies, Mr. Fiore. Please

Apologies, Mr. Fiore. Please delete this post. :(

Too funny. He was reduced to

Too funny. He was reduced to licking himself on the White House lawn?
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Thanks
Editor
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I believe we have seen the

I believe we have seen the last of the "Tell All" books coming from the bush administration. Anyone left that wishes to write a book will only try and contradict the ones already written. Coni Rice will only lavish praise upon bush and everything he did for the country. As long as she dosn't get into personal situations she'll be okay, I don't think people will be interested in the size of bush's shoes or hats.

If cheney decides to put pen to paper, anything that bush did will be substituted with cheney's name or changed to cheney's idea. He will throw in a few idea's that he wanted to do but, shot down by bush since it wasn't he who came up with them first.

Don't expect any remorse or admittance to any wrong doing. What ever was done was for God and country, if you think one or two were wrong, go to the Church of choice and say Five Hail Mary's and put a large donation in the tray.

It is a shame the Barney's book will never see the light of day. There is not a way bush could deny anything Barney said. If he did, bush would have PETA, and every ASPCA knocking on the White House door with summonses for the mis-treatment of Barney and the American People.

Hoo boy, Mark, you clearly

Hoo boy, Mark, you clearly had fun with this
one, one of your best. The "Bush Happened" touch
was just dandy.

The dog barks. The caravan passes.

So, add more dogs.

John Dinwiddie.

arguing with anyone who

arguing with anyone who actually voted for bush and now denies it or is crazy enough to live in delusion still is a waste of time.

we are totally screwed.

my conservative friends, one by one, are losing their large homes, businesses and lifestyles.

I, on the other hand, protected myself when I saw the sky falling 7 years ago.

screw the bunch of them

retired USMC

Hear, hear, "retired USMC"!

Hear, hear, "retired USMC"! Screw the bunch of them! I say, "Good!" It's good that these rich motherfuckers that liked to party it up so with their rich, fancy cars and and rich, fancy homes, that loved living it up like there was no tomorrow, that liked to only live in the moment and not save for a rainy day, lost it all. Well, you know what? It's raining now and the chickens are coming home to roost as well! Good! I'm so fucking glad when I hear that the rich of this world lose it all. Schadenfreude in all its delicious glory!

It's too bad that the U.S. bails out the rich of this world for their greedy ways, though. Capitalist system my ass! Capitalist profits and socialized losses is what it really is! All these fuckers that made a killing during these "bubble" periods should all be left to go pound sand now. Fukc them! Fukc them all!

Good points.

Good points.

I so agree! Right on! The

I so agree! Right on! The rich that lose it all totally deserve the fates of their own making. It's karmic justice!

I always hated McClellan. He

I always hated McClellan. He always struck me as a guy whose every word rang false. Like the old joke goes, "How can you tell what that guy said is a lie? Simple, his lips were moving."

McClellan is a real piece of $hit. It was alright in his eyes to savagely lambaste Richard Clarke for writing his tell-all book about his experiences during his time within this crooked and corrupt, kleptocratic, police-state-like, junta that is better known as The Bush Administration, and then do exactly the same thing himself after he got out for "personal reasons". What?!!! Just a total a$$hole, in my opinion, to go along with all the lies and deceptions that were taking place and then to come out and write a tell-all book solely as a money-making venture?! A true $hitheel in my book!

Why didn't McClellan just fake his "mouthpiece of the White House" role that he was in, but secretly feed the TRUTH to news organizations behind the scenes -- just as Deep Throat did to Woodward and Bernstein? McClellan is just a treacherous piece of $hit that I hope does not make any money from his book, "$hit Happened". Gee, thanks McClellan. Your fessing up is all old news anyway and stuff that we all already suspected was going on. All your book does is say that what we already suspected was true. Gee, thanks. Too little, too late, bub! Where's the new stuff we didn't already know about that was taking place?

I caught McClellan's Keith Olbermann interview and I used to like Keith Olbermann for his brave, "the emperor has no clothes" style of reporting, but his fawning all over McClellan like that in the interview, as if here now was someone validating all that Olbermann had been saying all this time about Bushie, was truly pathetic. I was expecting Olbermann to plant a big, fat kiss on McClellan's lips at some point.

Olbermann, on a side note, has become a big windbag in my eyes. After his droning on and on during this "long Bataan death march" that was the Obama/Clinton nomination campaign coverage, I see him as nothing but a windbag. Olbermann really is so full of himself, that he's getting very hard to watch. I really wish he would ask his questions and make his points more concisely. He makes every sentence a paragraph; every paragraph, an essay. Geez, Olbermann! Whittle it down, will you?

Anyway, in closing, McClellan is a piece of $hit that I wouldn't be at all surprised if he has an unfortunate "accident" arranged by Bushie and Cheney and architected by Rovie, of course.

priceman's picture

LOL. I love it! It reminds

LOL. I love it! It reminds me of Bill Maher's new rule:

Barney must run away. Bush said that he would keep this war going even if the only people supporting him were Laura and Barney and we all now Laura is not going to leave him, so it's all up to you, boy! Run boy! Run! Besides, Bush doesn't need you anymore; he has a new pet who will rollover on command:

*picture of John McCain hugging Bush*

Phil_Hobby's picture

Exactly. Is this the picture

Exactly.
Is this the picture you wanted?

priceman's picture

Oh yeah!!

Oh yeah!! :D:D:D

But...but...but he's such a Maverick!

Thanks, man.

Another great cartoon. I

Another great cartoon. I don't understand why he would do this now. Probably to get some free publicity while it is too late for anything in his book to have some real impact.

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COTO's picture

If the left needs a 'Left

If the left needs a 'Left Wing Lennie' as forumites are demanding, Bill Maher is it.

The man is a hypocritical windbag, who's more than the anti-equivalent of Limbaugh or Coulter.

If he ever comes up with an argument substantive enough that his producers don't have to wildly flash the 'Applause' sign to get a reaction from the audience, I'll eat my hat.

The man is, in short, the reason why conservatives stay conservative.

Props to Barney (a.k.a. McClellan), the first of many rats (no doubt) to jump ship and land in a pile of money.

Just a note on a more sinister conspiracy: Have so few people considered how this particular rat jumping ship now is conveniently consequence-free for the Bush clan?

The President's ratings are as low as they'll ever be, and it's too late to impeach or censure him (why go through all that when there's an election a few months away?). So, right on schedule, out comes 'Sh-- Happens' by McClellan, explaining that the WMD's were a lie, but only because Bush was so desperate to 'spread peace and democracy throughout the middle-east'.

The left gets their bone: 'Bush Lied!', and the issue dies happily, an old man safe in his bed. After all, why would a disgruntled defector like McClellan lie just to cover up a bigger lie? Yes, 'Bush Lied!' is a big, meaty bone indeed.

And so McClellan lands in a pile of money, Bush fades into obscurity as a failed idealist, and, rather than flogging a dead horse, the lefties are forced to move on to the next complainte-du-jour. Other than the fact that McClellan might be slightly put off by being compared to a dog licking his butt*, this seems like a picture-perfect win for the Bush clan.

*Mr. Fiore's favourite scene.

P.S. Be careful with the ultra-simplistic BUSH = MCCAIN generalization. I've seen good evidence lately (and others including the NYT have been picking it up, too), that Sen. Obama's stated goals for foreign policy are closer to President Bush's than Sen. McCain's in many cases.

That is, 'Hope! Change!' without a solid plan can dupe Americans just as easily as '9/11! WMDs!' without a solid plan.

"The man {Bill Maher} is a

"The man {Bill Maher} is a hypocritical windbag, who's more than the anti-equivalent of Limbaugh or Coulter."

I'm nice to see a conservative speak disparagingly of two of the noisiest windbags in his own camp.

COTO's picture

Blowhards are

Blowhards are blowhards.

Whether they be the oxycontin-popping variety, the anorexia nervosa variety, or the "President is a Sh--head" variety. :P

priceman's picture

Sorry, that's simply not

Sorry, that's simply not true. It's also pretty simplistic to think that Bill is the reason conservatives stay conservative or even know what that means. He is a comedian that's talented and states his own opinion whether anyone cares or not like he did when he got fired on ABC.(when no one was saying ------- about the honest reasons we were attacked on 9/11 or couldn't deal with it) I take it you hate him, because he attacks religion and that's your right to feel that way, but let's not pretend a lot of what he states is not true and backed up by the facts, not faith based arguments based on the bible written by man BTW. I respect religion a little more than he does, because of MLk and Mahatma Gandhi and the social movements associated with them, but he's right about how reckless religion is used as well.

McClellan definitely could have came out earlier, but there is reason to believe he was a true believer and Bush is still in office when his book came out, so he deserves slight props for that and for apologizing to Richard Clark. I don't like how he says it was merely the President being misled by his advisers and that he waited this long but given the human cost of this war I'll take what I can get.

I don't like McClellan, but his coming out did drown out McCain's big Iraq speech. I do find it hilarious your contempt for the lefties; yeah, that's it; that's why we are in this debacle; it's not disaster capitalism oh no. It's morals and values and morals and values and da family. I hope that's not your argument.

You are aware McCain has voted with Bush 95% of the time, right? Of course you are. You are aware that McCain sided with Bush against our troops on the new G.I bill? Of course you are. You are aware where McCain was when Katrina happened? Of course you are.

There are some things that have bothered me recently about Obama via his latest remarks at AIPAC, but all politicians have to pander that way to get elected in this country and saying that Obama's foreign policy is closer to Bush's than McCains is not only untrue, it's naive. leave Iraq, stay for 100 years(I know when violence is down and flowers grow like South Korea, but he didn't take that into context when asked that question, because people are dying everyday and things are getting worse). The surge is working; the surge is not working.

You might be referring to his remarks(which I also don't agree with and find troubling) about keeping options on the table with Iran, but you haven't been listening if you think they are closer than McCain's, "Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran." That's not the same thing.

Bush is not a failed idealist BTW; he's a war criminal like Donald Rumsfeld and the rest of the ilk who lied to get us into this war. Sorry, you're going to have to do better than conflations and distortions on what you view as "the left" or even using that term out of context like you and the rest of the fake moral crusaders do.

COTO's picture

> It's also pretty

> It's also pretty simplistic to think that Bill is the reason conservatives stay conservative...

It's. an. exaggeration.

> ...but let's not pretend a lot of what he states is not true and backed up by the facts...

A sprinkling of fact in a sea of disparaging rhetoric is enough to satisfy some, I suppose.

The man turns tragedy into farce, and trivializes political issues (many of which may one day be near and dear to your heart). The world seems to be a snide running joke to the man. I feel my Ralphie sense tingling whenever the guy comes on-air. In the neighbour's room. Down the block.

I've never watched his program long enough to see him directly 'attack religion', although I have seen him take pot-shots at criminals and dredge up a few laffs upon mentioning that they're Christian. Stay classy, Bill. Attacking religion isn't necessarily a 'bad' thing, as it can help to expose fraud and winnow away fence-sitters. But if his 'attack on religion' is on par with his 'attack' on anything else, I suspect it's a mash of denigrating, tactless pot-shots against the lowest-common-denominator of the day, or against a group of people too chaste to sue his butt off when he happens to be spewing in their direction.

> I do find it hilarious your contempt for the lefties; yeah, that's it; that's why we are in this debacle; it's not disaster capitalism oh no.

By all means, please explain what in my last post constitutes 'contempt for the lefties'.

I know how bad the U.S. is hurting more than you realize right now.

My advice to you: Buy gold. Lots of it. Get rid of every last U.S. dollar you have.

If you've got Bill Maher bobble-heads, pawn them, sink whatever you make into gold too.

> There are some things that bothered...
> ...but he didn't take that into context when...
> You might be referring to his remarks...

You're making my argument for me, sir.

This isn't the worst of it. I'd very much like to post the URL of the NYT article I read, but their ruddy site won't let me since I'm not a subscriber. It was in last week's Sunday Times.

They promised a follow-up, and so I'll post that.

The skinny: Don't put on the rose-coloured glasses when it comes to Sen. Obama. Although, I suppose you're kinda stuck with either him or McCain. :(

Either way, sink every last free U.S. dollar you have into gold, and do it quickly. If that sounds rash and paranoid, it's because it is.

> Bush is not a failed idealist BTW; he's a war criminal like Donald Rumsfeld and the rest of the ilk who lied to get us into this war.

My point being that if Bush's rabid opponents (the 'left') jump on McClellan's bone, a failed idealist is exactly what they'll turn him into. The argument becomes, "Bush faked WMDs because he wanted the U.S. to go in and spread democracy throughout the middle-east. We have a defected insider to prove it!" rather than, "Bush lied. McClellan is (still) lying. We well know Iraq wasn't about 'spreading peace and democracy', McClellan knew it, and we'll certainly not sanction the lie by slobbering all over his book."

> ...you're going to have to do better than conflations and distortions on what you view as "the left" or even using that term out of context like you...

You want a 'special' term, now?

And here was me thinking about "the right" wing and "the left" wing. How insensitive.

We shall now be known as "the right" wing, and "the tickle fuzzy-hug" wing, lest fake moral crusaders offend the sensibilities of tickle fuzzy-huggers ever again. ;)

Regards,

COTO

P.S. Special thanks to Mr. Fiore for letting me vent without due praise for his work in past weeks. Mr. Fiore is the type of 'comedian' that the Bill Mahers could never be, Mr. Priceman: tactful, critical, and anything but a vaunted egotist.

priceman's picture

So you admit it was an

So you admit it was an exaggeration, but the way you put it could be interpreted to be an "oversimplification" so I'm not going to be corrected on this by your failure to use the term "exaggeration." Your statement also assumes "conservatives" are "conservative" in the definitive term when anything but is the case. So be careful with your language.

There wasn't a sprinkling of facts; I don't agree with everything he says, but most of what he says is backed up by the facts and he was right about Bush and his connections to Enron in 2000 and his lies against the then Maverick John McCain(I think you're confused, it's not the year 2000) and especially what he said that got him thrown off of ABC thus leading to the creation of the blogoshpere. He was also right about the war and the disaster it caused.

This is just plain wrong; Bill Maher does not turn tragedy into farce. There's another "oversimplification." You admit you haven't seen much of his act and then you assume that the world is a big joke to Bill Maher. Leave aside that he's a "comedian" (though he is very informed on the issues and he does care and if you paid attention to his pieces on Katrina victims, you would see why)) and you compared him to a propagandists like Coulter, which is a "conflation." You apparently are taking some of what Maher says too seriously, but I have long been a fan and I'm not going to indulge you in your mis-characterization. Bill cares deeply about issues very important to him and if you're aware of it, a lot of comedy comes from pain. I would advise you to lighten up. This is all I needed to know BTW:

'I've never watched his program long enough to see"

Thank you, that was all I needed.

Yes I take it you're into the Austrian school of economics, well the gold standard has caused market crashes too, though it's probably not a bad idea, though I have almost nothing(no stocks and little money), so that's not going to help, but I appreciate the concern, though. Ben Bernanke is killing the U.S dollar while bailing out Bear Stearns and so he must go for his incompetent hypocritical ineptitude. My artwork is all I have and I have no Bill Maher bobble head dolls, that's a pretty childish assumption, and makes me think you know very little; not saying you do, but from what I've seen you are misinformed on a lot of things(even if you are quite articulate in some facets) and this seems to be a cover for that. I would not just throw out analogy like that; it defeats your purpose.

By all means, please explain what in my last post constitutes 'contempt for the lefties'.

If the left needs a 'Left Wing Lennie' as forumites are demanding, Bill Maher is it.

The left gets their bone: 'Bush Lied!', and the issue dies happily, an old man safe in his bed. After all, why would a disgruntled defector like McClellan lie just to cover up a bigger lie? Yes, 'Bush Lied!' is a big, meaty bone indeed.

the lefties are forced to move on to the next complainte-du-jour

Let me explain something to you. Constantly referring to "lefties" or "the left"(which could range from historically figures from Gandhi to Stalin when you throw this term out) with a negative connotation as people who move on to the next "du jour" complaint which actually means "complaint of the time," when most are complaining about all the lies from the run to the war to the 50 running scandals of this administration from "then" to "now." Either way your usage signifies a pejorative and I think I answered your question.

There are some things that bothered...
> ...but he didn't take that into context when...
> You might be referring to his remarks...

You're making my argument for me, sir.

This isn't the worst of it. I'd very much like to post the URL of the NYT article I read, but their ruddy site won't let me since I'm not a subscriber. It was in last week's Sunday Times.

I am not an original Obama supporter, I am an Edwards supporter, but you just stated that Obama's foreign policy is even closer to Bush's than McCain's and if you are talking about Israel(which does bother me, because I don't like right wingers in the Knesset anymore than right wingers in our three branches of government) than they are close, but as far as foreign policy, Obama is for leaving Iraq and McCain is for staying. Obama is for tough diplomacy with Iran and McCain wants a war with Iran. Obama is not perfect on this issue for me, but he is much better than McCain and saying they are similar or that McCain is better is simply not grounded in reality. I wish Edwards was the nominee, but I believe uniting behind our nominee is the right thing to do and there is a stark difference, especially economically between McCain who's advisers sponsored terrorism and caused the subprime mortgage crisis really makes Obama look great. Denying that, because of an article in the times that makes this conflation is simply not realistic.

It's very simple and by denying that fact you are denying "reality." I'm not afraid to debunk the NYT who helped lie us into this war and the whole Judith Miller debacle(Paul Krugman is the only reason to read the times)so I will keep watch, but I would implore you not to lose focus here.

I don't look at any of our candidates with full on rose colored glasses, but I'm also not going to pretend that McCain could or would ever be a better choice, because that's simply not realistic and to a certain extent you acknowledge that, but you said this:

P.S. Be careful with the ultra-simplistic BUSH = MCCAIN generalization. I've seen good evidence lately (and others including the NYT have been picking it up, too), that Sen. Obama's stated goals for foreign policy are closer to President Bush's than Sen. McCain's in many cases.

That is, 'Hope! Change!' without a solid plan can dupe Americans just as easily as '9/11! WMDs!' without a solid plan.

This is simply false; it's very easy because McCain supported most of Bush's polices and again voted with him 95% of the time in recent years and many other facets. BTW McCain's speech was widely panned even on Fox news and Free Republic. I don't have my ideal candidate on the issues as candidate, but it's going to be very easy for me to make my choice in this election.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNSPKd3ZGVg

You can than me later.

I love Mr. Fiore's work but I don't feel the need to denigrate Bill Maher for his fine work as well. I'm glad you are a fan of Mr. Fiore, though, because we have many differences in our views, but at least we can agree on that.

COTO's picture

> ...and you compared him to

> ...and you compared him to a propagandists like Coulter, which is a "conflation."

Nope.
Same bread, different butter.
'Fact'-based. Well-researched. 'Funny'. 'Cares about the issues.'. The works.

> This is all I needed to know...

I rather convenient dismissal, this! 8^O

Especially since you didn't answer my question:

"Is Bill Maher's 'attack on religion' a mash of denigrating, tactless pot-shots against the lowest-common-denominator of the day, or against a group of people too chaste to sue his butt off when he happens to be spewing in their direction?"

If you tell me (and you give me your word of honour that your assessment is honest) that less than 30% of Mr. Maher's material pertaining to 'attack on religion' fits this description, I shall never speak of him again.

> ...well the gold standard has caused market crashes too...

It has, and the price of gold has become heavily depressed in various locales.
As a long-term global commodity, however, gold has never fluctuated significantly in value, and one doesn't need to be an economics major to understand why.

> ...I have no Bill Maher bobble head dolls, that's a pretty childish assumption...
> I would not just throw out analogy like that; it defeats your purpose.

Do they even make Bill Maher bobble head dolls?

You win. Between 'bobble heads' being a symbol of patronage, 'staying conservative' being a symbol of revulsion, 'lefties' referring to the left-wing talking heads, 'talking heads' referring to blowhard, spendthrift senators, I shall never again rely on metaphor.

> Constantly referring to "lefties" or "the left"...

Yes, I'm aware of the history of the term. It goes without saying that "lefties" in this context refers to the spokesmen for the American political left in 2008 A.D. and not to Josef Stalin and the Bolsheviks in the 1930's.

I use the term affectionately, since 'liberal' has been co-opted by the "righties" (our good pal Ralphie among them) as a 'pejorative term'. Even if Matthew Santos picks it up and wears it as a badge of honour.

> I am not an original Obama supporter, I am an Edwards supporter...

I am simply saying that 'uniting behind the party' should take a backseat to 'not giving Sen. Obama a free ride'.
And to buy gold.
And if you don't have any money to buy gold with, sell me your animations, and then buy gold. Diamonds. Precious metals. Lumber. Anything except Chilean pesos.

> ...it's very easy because McCain supported most of Bush's polices...
> ...McCain's speech was widely panned even on Fox news and Free Republic...

McCain bites the heads off of chickens.

Yes. We know. Nobody within fifty miles of this site is going to vote for McCain. Your power now is to keep Sen. Obama honest. You have some small power to turn him into an Edwards (my daddy works in a mill, my daddy works in a mill, my daddy works in a mill) by giving legs to public demands for sensible economic policy.

The fact that you're defending Sen. Obama as 'not as bad' as McCain speaks volumes. Make the guy earn your vote.

Animate!
Blog!
Write to the editor!
Be the guy that gets tazered.

....

As for the rest, I think we're on the same page.

Be Vigilant,

COTO

priceman's picture

Nope. Same bread, different

Nope.
Same bread, different butter.
'Fact'-based. Well-researched. 'Funny'. 'Cares about the issues.'. The works.

I don't think so. It's not the same bread at all. Coulter is not funny, well-researched,(ridiculous is more like it) or cares about the issues. She is a propagandist like her hero Joseph McCarthy. If you're a woman, you shouldn't be allowed to vote. (which is funny considering the feminist movement that has allowed here to say these things)Gay, you're burning in hell(I'm not going to rehash your whole diatribe, but we don't agree there even though I know you don't literally condemn gays to burn in hell). If you read and listen to what people say you are a fag(liberal pussy in her context there). No, they are not the same bread or different butter, they are different grains. Maher has a career as an actor and a comedic writer well before he got seriously political, but I'm glad he found that side of him.(Herman's Head and he as and is a stand up comedian and that takes more talent than Coulter ever thought she had)

I rather convenient dismissal, this! 8^O

Conevenient, No. I precisely pointed out that you were judging someone's work you admitted that you haven't even really seen or given a real chance. This has nothing to do with that point at all. That is prejudice(pre-judging).

"Is Bill Maher's 'attack on religion' a mash of denigrating, tactless pot-shots against the lowest-common-denominator of the day, or against a group of people too chaste to sue his butt off when he happens to be spewing in their direction?"

"If you tell me (and you give me your word of honour that your assessment is honest) that less than 30% of Mr. Maher's material pertaining to 'attack on religion' fits this description, I shall never speak of him again."

Time to answer this question which holds the same prejudice as your other statement. Maher goes after all religions and I can respect someone's opinion even though I don't fully agree with it(I don't fully agree with Maher, because I think religion CAN be a good thing, but the fanatics have taken over and have long taken over religions of all types. I enjoy how he cuts through it. I am not an Atheist, but there are certain things I fully agree with Atheists on for I haven't truly conformed to any religious text, for they are all flawed and written by man and man cannot fully interpret or understand God. If he can, why does he need to be saved? etc.

But like I said, I think you have already gone through this conversation and I'm not trying to rehash it, but I don't agree wit a lot of what you said. I personally confide in what Jesus said, nothing else, for everything else is misrepresented, forgeries been found, and Greek taken out of context to fit everyone's agenda(even those who think they have divine clear understanding when they don't) who judges other people without being judged themselves(I really like that saying).

You assume Maher is afraid of criticizing so called hardcore religious types(the badass ones that sue, right?). They do try and attack him, but unfortunately we have the first amendment in this country), because he is afraid they might sue. Kind of ridiculous that you think someone can sue someone else for expressing an opinion in this country for one, but also considering the facts I continue to lay out that I already refuted that for he was thrown off of ABC for stating his opinion and he knew he might(especially after 9/11 and to quote someone else you probably don't like who is a brilliant satirist Stephen Colbert, that took balls. brass ones) for he almost got thrown off in 2000 for calling Bush out on his lies like I mentioned before(and he didn't like being thrown off of that network, but he felt it was important to be one of the few voices of sanity right after 9/11). So this "assumption" is not holding any water or sound logic; kind of like continuing to make this judgment after you admitted you haven't really even given Maher a chance.

And it's not hard to find the lowest common denominator in religion, but he is always respectful to his guests even if they are religious or have religious convictions like Cornell West when he goes on his show(or Tavis Smiley who are not preachers, but have strong religious convictions) We all make mistakes and sometimes Bill goes too far, but so do you and so do many people. This doesn't happen very much, though in my view. By prejudging Maher like I showed you did, you really lose credibility in this assumption you are making and let's not pretend you aren't making assumptions.

On balance as far as the honor question(because I pointed out the flaws in the people "too chaste to sue" argument), I would say that the reason the lowest common denominator is pointed out a lot, is because of the influence it has on most people in this country who voted against their interests and causes human suffering. It pisses me off and so it can be quite Cathartic to hear rightful scorn for their practice which has the influence which causes harm to many people. If it was just a bunch of tripe that no one paid attention to, that would be different, but the damage caused by controlling people's minds to vote against their interests in this country is worthy of scorn. So since your analysis is flawed your percentage is also flawed. that and you're still pre-judging and proving that you are prejudging by even asking a question that you should have the answer for yourself, but you haven't; been fair to Bill Maher.

If anything, you could at least give him credit for his comedic talent which stretches far past his views on religion. Perhaps I'm expecting too much. Oh well. I love satire(Mr. Fiore's work fits there) so I'll point to another show I like that probably offends the hell out of you. This is how I sum up your argument, which is pretty much Peter Griffin's opinion about the Godfather:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avddxEad7u8

It has, and the price of gold has become heavily depressed in various locales.
As a long-term global commodity, however, gold has never fluctuated significantly in value, and one doesn't need to be an economics major to understand why.

We agree! Yay! As a commodity, still a good investment.

Do they even make Bill Maher bobble head dolls?

You win. Between 'bobble heads' being a symbol of patronage, 'staying conservative' being a symbol of revulsion, 'lefties' referring to the left-wing talking heads, 'talking heads' referring to blowhard, spendthrift senators, I shall never again rely on metaphor.

No, not to my knowledge. Bobble heads are not a good example of patronage(and to just throw out an metaphor like that out of the blue makes it even worse. I think of baseball players when I think of bobble heads) I would say neo-conservative is the correct term(not that they could be converted even if they weren't called out by Maher on a weekly basis for their BS); conservatives are not a symbol of revulsion; in the literal, I wish conservatives cared about conserving; they don't. They don't even adhere to the Goldwater conservatives anymore. I don't know if you are aware of it, but fiscal responsibility was much more prevalent under the Democratic party even if a lot of them have turned out to be spineless and ineffective,(oh my favorite one of Mark's is spine-o-crat)and taxes are not the devil, deregulation is what should be the focus whether it's our fed policies that are unchecked or the corporations who own all of our seeds to all of the food e consume and even water, the private sector and deregulation has taken the lead as far as planetary peril(and the FTA that support them). So I don't find that apt either as far as the terminology is concerned. Ineffectual, spineless, and some being as corrupt as the American right, yes, but let's get it straight.

Yes, I'm aware of the history of the term. It goes without saying that "lefties" in this context refers to the spokesmen for the American political left in 2008 A.D. and not to Josef Stalin and the Bolsheviks in the 1930's.

I use the term affectionately, since 'liberal' has been co-opted by the "righties" (our good pal Ralphie among them) as a 'pejorative term'. Even if Matthew Santos picks it up and wears it as a badge of honour

Just want to make sure. ;) But using that term can have a wide context is all I'm saying, but you clarified successfully and I figured as much. I just wanted to make sure you weren't another Joesph McCarthy clone, for McCarthyism died for a good reason.

I wear the "L "word proudly. Jesus was a liberal, but he would be called a coward and unpatriotic in this day and age. Sad. I am not aware of Ralphy, but something tells me we wouldn't hit it off. :D

I am simply saying that 'uniting behind the party' should take a backseat to 'not giving Sen. Obama a free ride'.
And to buy gold.
And if you don't have any money to buy gold with, sell me your animations, and then buy gold. Diamonds. Precious metals. Lumber. Anything except Chilean pesos.

Not when so many people are suffering form the disastrous Bush/McCain economic polices and endless conflicts in the ME. the human factor outweighs my personal preferences and Obama does show some progress there as opposed to regression. But I don't give Obama a free ride and I will be pressuring him to adopt better policies but defeating McCain is priority number one for good reason considering the issues and the human cost of all of these disastrous policies.

I agree with the latter, and I appreciate the thought; I will if I ever get the money.

McCain bites the heads off of chickens.

Now this is very disappointing. I link to a video of his latest speech with direct references proving my assertions one by one to all the points he makes, and all you have is a straw man(that is refuting a point I'm not making that is easy to refute without refuting my initial argument) to counter.

Here's some more "pop up double talk" with direct references at the bottom to actual legislation McCain voted for and against pointing out his hypocrisy and his close alignment with Bush on many policies. That's called substance to prove my assertions:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlnMjB6LNGA

Yes. We know. Nobody within fifty miles of this site is going to vote for McCain. Your power now is to keep Sen. Obama honest. You have some small power to turn him into an Edwards (my daddy works in a mill, my daddy works in a mill, my daddy works in a mill) by giving legs to public demands for sensible economic policy.

I would hope so, but I have seen McCain defenders here. I plan to keep Obama honest and I will push to oust him from office if he doesn't deliver on his platform and I'm still hoping for an Edwards run in 2012. I can't help but detect a condescending tone about the Mill worker thing (He acknowledges his repetition there for he has a humbling sense of humor about himself, but he says father not "daddy.") but Edwards did have the most sensible economic policies in this race supported by Paul Krugman and many other noted economists, but I'll assume you were sincere there for now.

The fact that you're defending Sen. Obama as 'not as bad' as McCain speaks volumes. Make the guy earn your vote.

It does speak volumes as in I pay attention to the damage of the past 8 years and that I would put my personal preferences aside for any progress that affects any human being's well being whether we are talking about our soldiers in Iraq being killed and denied benefits with no end in sight, all the homes being foreclosed on, all the dead Iraqis not being reported, and all the poor who are still being neglected this leading me to Edwards candidacy as well his work on behalf of consumer rights.

People suffering have earned my vote and I know the better choice to ease that suffering is Obama. If the Democrats ------- this election up, though, I am done with the two party system and i will register as an independent.

Animate!
Blog!
Write to the editor!
Be the guy that gets tazered.

I do all three, except for the guy who gets tazered which was excessive, but both parties were responsible for what happened there. I probably do need to do more of the former, for I guess I like arguing way too much and I do waste a lot of time when I should be doing more creative things. So I'm not perfect, but I'm confident in my foundation of my views. I probably should find a better outlet like Mr. Fiore and spend more time down that avenue with my passions in this area. I'm working on that and I'm gong to start being more vigilant in that area.

Peace.

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Sorry, I forgot to address

Sorry, I forgot to address this in my long comment:

My point being that if Bush's rabid opponents (the 'left') jump on McClellan's bone, a failed idealist is exactly what they'll turn him into. The argument becomes, "Bush faked WMDs because he wanted the U.S. to go in and spread democracy throughout the middle-east. We have a defected insider to prove it!" rather than, "Bush lied. McClellan is (still) lying. We well know Iraq wasn't about 'spreading peace and democracy', McClellan knew it, and we'll certainly not sanction the lie by slobbering all over his book."

They are not jumping on McClellan's bone in the sense that they are embracing McClellan's full views on this(though I still object to the 'left" when Richard Clark was a Republican, and Chuck Hagel is also a Republican, but I understand your point better now, so thank you) but this does further asset what is in Paul O' Neil's book, Richard Clark's book and General Sanchez's book when they were both parred off as out of the loop. They cannot say that about McCellan, because he has been with Bush since he was Governor in TX, though not in the same position, but everyone knows he had true access which is why they are using the doppelganger argument instead of "out of the loop" and the WH is also saying a lot of what you are saying believe it or not. Not that i equate you with them, but I do think it was a slight risk for Scott to come out while Bush was still in office, though it would have certainly helped a lot more if he came out earlier.

You clarified here, though, so I understand what you mean, but I explained my difference in the nuances.

Thanks.

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This is too funny! It is

This is too funny! It is hard now to figure out who will be the next insider of Bush's inner circle to publish a book!

Brings to mind rats and

Brings to mind rats and sinking ships.

admin's picture

I just posted the new

I just posted the new animation, "Sh-- Happened," starring Barney the Loyal Dog. Can you guess which is my favorite scene?

-MF

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Another great cartoon. I

Another great cartoon. I don't understand why he would do this now. Probably to get some free publicity while it is too late for anything in his book to have some real impact.
And all the books at the end shown could be their own cartoon...

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