Why go to China when we have instituted constant surveilance right here in what used to be the USA you anti-constitution, un-American bastard? Besides, with a fraction of their population, we have more people incarcerated in the US than China, and as we privatize the prison system, this will only get better. Its chicken-s--t, cowards like you, anonomous, who have enabled this mess by being so afraid of terrorists that you gladly and willingly give up freedoms and rights that far better people than you died to attain and protect.
Hey, let's keep it civil, people. In this case, I'm Big Brother and I'm watching. No personal attacks here in the comments, and don't use naughty words or run by the pool.
This isn't about foreign calls. They have always been able to monitor foreign calls. They can even legally get a warrant to do it 72 days after it happened. That's all the existing law.
This is about AT&T re-routing every phone call, every email, and every internet hit in the US through a "big brother machine" that could capture and record any of it at any time without any warrant or oversight. THAT is not legal.
At least do your homework or you do the corrupt people's work for them.
So I should be allowed to watch you have sex with your wife?
What are you doing to your wife that you're afraid I'll find out about?
Also, the old "if your innocent you have nothing to fear" thing isn't as comforting if you can't, say, petition the court under the idea you're innocent and have been wrongfully arrested.
You have nothing to fear if you're innocent. Unless you're gay. Or a war dissenter.
THis IS the best cartoon I've seen in the last 8 years. It put it SO well. How long before the Heritage Foundation's countdown clock until this cartoon is taken down by our "protectors"?
Mark, it's quite possible this is one of your top-5 pieces over the past 7 years.
Most other abuses against our Constitution didn't actually touch most Americans. This warrantless wiretapping does, yet thanks to our conglomerate media cartel, these stories are filtered out of our living rooms. Ask any ordinary American what they know about this "warrantless wiretapping" thing and they'd likely reduce it to "something the Democrats are crying about while crippling our national security"... While having no idea every phone call to grandma, or to the pharmacist, or to a Priest or rabbi or chaplain to discuss family problems at home, are all being listened to and sifted for possible terrorist connection.
Your style has been so effective and prob hard for you to ever pick favorite pieces. I think this one is one of your most impt... WHoever mentioned succinct above is right. astounding how easily you crunched the whole narrative into about 7-8 bullet points. Now if only this cartoon could get pumped into every living room on TV sets...
Thanks, glad you like this animation! Domestic spying without a warrant is one of those issues near and dear to my heart-- partly because I can see the windowless AT&T building that is cited in one of the large lawsuits right out my office window! (Apparently, it was the location of the rooms where our government's little spies siphoned off the interenet and phone traffic.)
It's hard to not sound like a conspiracy nut when talking about this issue. That's where Snuggly does it much better!
There is nothing nutty about wanting oversight of the power to spy on US citizens. There's not even anything nutty about suspecting that it might be used for nefarious purposes, because it's been done before -- by Richard Nixon. Part of the case for impeachment was that Nixon was spying on anti-war activists for political purposes and there were no warrants to spy on those people (What judge would grant a warrant to spy on someone to advance a political agenda?). Considering that GWB has shown even LESS respect for the law than Nixon, and will use every power at his disposal to promote his political agenda, it would be nutty NOT to consider that he could be using warrantless spying on political opponents.
I too heard about this on the Rachel Maddow Show. It was the Feb 15 show, currently available on iTunes as a free podcast. If you haven't heard her praise of your brilliance, it's worth a listen.
I'd love to hear you go on the show as a guest.
This is a brilliant summary of this subject; captures every nuance of the issue. EXCEPT the fact that Buscho will actually allow the supposedly crucial FISA extensions to lapse unless the telecoms are granted retroactive immunity. Conclusion: Bush, by his own arguments, is willing to risk the very lives of US citizens in an otherwise preventable terror attack in order to save the telecom companies from the mere possibility of exposure to potential lawsuits in which a court would decide whether or not they have done anything wrong. US lives held hostage to achieve freedom from litigation for the giant telecoms! Freedom is on the march!
You know how they say we shouldn't be afraid of wiretaps if we're doing nothing wrong? Well by that same token, the big telecoms shouldn't be afraid of legal exposure if they've done nothing wrong.
Keep up the excellent work.
Hope Snuggly the Security Bear is a recurring character.
Check out the Rachel Maddow show on Friday, 2/15 and hear her make a great plug for this cartoon. Please submit it to AlterNet and ThinkProgress as well. Great work Mark!
you need to make this available for myspace, facebook etc!
maybe put a commercial or something in the beginning or maybe the end can bring traffic to your sight.
So please make this flash files available for all blogs, myspace and facebook so I (and others) can viral the love from the teddy and other wonderful & thoughtful news from our government and fellow corporations. ;)
Awesome stuff by the way I've been seeing your stuff since 2001! :)
You're not so secure after all. I guess that means if spies can eavesdrop on us without authorization that gives the general public authorization as well to do it too on them and people who they don't like its not that hard. You're a liar go back to the "sprout" TV network and scare kids with your tactics. You're rated TV-14 including Illegal Activities and Look at the Privacy Act of 1972 and ECPA of 1986.
Note to Anonymous--comment which included the question: "are they still putting US citizens in GITMO?" No US citizens have ever been detained at GITMO. The two US citizens so far designated as enemy combatants, Jose Padilla and Yasir Hamdi, were detained at a Navy brig in South Carolina. Neither one is still there. Hamdi cut a deal after his S.Ct. case to relocate to Egypt and renounce his citizenship in exchange for no charges if he kept quiet about his treatment. Padilla was eventually charged with terrorist crimes to be heard in a US Federal court and transferred from DOD custody to DOJ custody. His trial in FLA was over and he was recently sentenced, despite defense claims that his treatment while he was detained as an enemy combatant should have resulted in severe restrictions in gvt evidence.
GITMO is not intended to hold US citizens, but I suppose the way things are going anything is possible. Note that both leading Presidential contenders (Obama for the Dems and McCain for the Republicans) have said they would close GITMO. Hillary's position is unclear. We'll see how things go on that, after 1/20/09.
By the way, I'm switching servers right now and there are some weird things going on. Sorry about the lack of animation beyond the current week. We should have that fixed soon. Arghh, stupid computers!
and as of this post, clicking any of the most commented take me to the same warm fuzzy teddy bear... ah, wonderful computers... [i used to market them... :)]
LOL, Mark I guess I'll just have to keep waiting for those guys in the mirrored glasses and black three button suits to arrive and kick in the front door for my traitorous anti-Bush/anti-war statements I've made on your forum and others.
Imagine at one time I had AT&T for phone, cell and internet providers. I guess I'm done for. Should this ever occur, please send funds or some better wearing apparel. I really don't look good in an orange jump suit, but after the rotten winter here in the capitol of the not so golden state, some warmth at GITMO doesn't sound that bad. BTW, are they still putting U.S. citizens in GITMO?
Oops, I almost forgot without Habeas Corpus, I could be in real trouble.
Still around here and there, still battling the rabid, right wing and always glad to see so are you. nomorewars
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What a good citizen you are.
What a good citizen you are. Shouldn't you be watching Faux News instead of being here? FYI: It's domestic spying you effen moron!!!
Whatever you say, Comrade.
Whatever you say, Comrade. You commie pig! Why don't you go live in China where they can violate your privacy all day long you P.O.S.
Why go to China when we have
Why go to China when we have instituted constant surveilance right here in what used to be the USA you anti-constitution, un-American bastard? Besides, with a fraction of their population, we have more people incarcerated in the US than China, and as we privatize the prison system, this will only get better. Its chicken-s--t, cowards like you, anonomous, who have enabled this mess by being so afraid of terrorists that you gladly and willingly give up freedoms and rights that far better people than you died to attain and protect.
Right on, man! As Ben
Right on, man! As Ben Franklin said, "Those who are willing to give up essential liberties for temporary safety deserve neither."
Hey, let's keep it civil,
Hey, let's keep it civil, people. In this case, I'm Big Brother and I'm watching. No personal attacks here in the comments, and don't use naughty words or run by the pool.
Thanks, as you were.
-Mark
thanks for stepping in
thanks for stepping in
nice one! I was always
nice one! I was always longing for a cartoonist on this election 1n2n3n
This isn't about foreign
This isn't about foreign calls. They have always been able to monitor foreign calls. They can even legally get a warrant to do it 72 days after it happened. That's all the existing law.
This is about AT&T re-routing every phone call, every email, and every internet hit in the US through a "big brother machine" that could capture and record any of it at any time without any warrant or oversight. THAT is not legal.
At least do your homework or you do the corrupt people's work for them.
So I should be allowed to
So I should be allowed to watch you have sex with your wife?
What are you doing to your wife that you're afraid I'll find out about?
Also, the old "if your innocent you have nothing to fear" thing isn't as comforting if you can't, say, petition the court under the idea you're innocent and have been wrongfully arrested.
You have nothing to fear if you're innocent. Unless you're gay. Or a war dissenter.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/14/national/14santacruz.html
If you've got nothing to fear, I don't see why you'd object to a camera in your bedroom.
Your bedroom is private, so is the phone-sex I have with my husband.
Heaven forbid they be monitoring actual terrorists. Or working on translating the stuff they do have.
http://www.showmenews.com/2004/Sep/20040928News026.asp
By the way, I can see from the tape you're using a condom wrong.
Kudos to Mark Fiore for an
Kudos to Mark Fiore for an excellent dramatization of the folly of the Administrations actions and its political supporters.
Snuggly is a witty cartoon!
Bush is mush-brained if he thinks Americans can't see through his crimes this time.
fantastic. easily the
fantastic.
easily the forerunner for most important political cartoon of '08.
This was a scream.
This was a scream. Unfortunately it was tempered by how true it seems to be. BTW, nice semi hidden shot at the rockefellers and the "conspiracy".
Is this available for blog pages?
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silver
THis IS the best cartoon
THis IS the best cartoon I've seen in the last 8 years. It put it SO well. How long before the Heritage Foundation's countdown clock until this cartoon is taken down by our "protectors"?
Mark, it's quite possible
Mark, it's quite possible this is one of your top-5 pieces over the past 7 years.
Most other abuses against our Constitution didn't actually touch most Americans. This warrantless wiretapping does, yet thanks to our conglomerate media cartel, these stories are filtered out of our living rooms. Ask any ordinary American what they know about this "warrantless wiretapping" thing and they'd likely reduce it to "something the Democrats are crying about while crippling our national security"... While having no idea every phone call to grandma, or to the pharmacist, or to a Priest or rabbi or chaplain to discuss family problems at home, are all being listened to and sifted for possible terrorist connection.
Your style has been so effective and prob hard for you to ever pick favorite pieces. I think this one is one of your most impt... WHoever mentioned succinct above is right. astounding how easily you crunched the whole narrative into about 7-8 bullet points. Now if only this cartoon could get pumped into every living room on TV sets...
thank you.
Thanks, glad you like this
Thanks, glad you like this animation! Domestic spying without a warrant is one of those issues near and dear to my heart-- partly because I can see the windowless AT&T building that is cited in one of the large lawsuits right out my office window! (Apparently, it was the location of the rooms where our government's little spies siphoned off the interenet and phone traffic.)
It's hard to not sound like a conspiracy nut when talking about this issue. That's where Snuggly does it much better!
Thanks again,
-Mark
Mark - There is nothing
Mark -
There is nothing nutty about wanting oversight of the power to spy on US citizens. There's not even anything nutty about suspecting that it might be used for nefarious purposes, because it's been done before -- by Richard Nixon. Part of the case for impeachment was that Nixon was spying on anti-war activists for political purposes and there were no warrants to spy on those people (What judge would grant a warrant to spy on someone to advance a political agenda?). Considering that GWB has shown even LESS respect for the law than Nixon, and will use every power at his disposal to promote his political agenda, it would be nutty NOT to consider that he could be using warrantless spying on political opponents.
Mark: I too heard about this
Mark:
I too heard about this on the Rachel Maddow Show. It was the Feb 15 show, currently available on iTunes as a free podcast. If you haven't heard her praise of your brilliance, it's worth a listen.
I'd love to hear you go on the show as a guest.
This is a brilliant summary of this subject; captures every nuance of the issue. EXCEPT the fact that Buscho will actually allow the supposedly crucial FISA extensions to lapse unless the telecoms are granted retroactive immunity. Conclusion: Bush, by his own arguments, is willing to risk the very lives of US citizens in an otherwise preventable terror attack in order to save the telecom companies from the mere possibility of exposure to potential lawsuits in which a court would decide whether or not they have done anything wrong. US lives held hostage to achieve freedom from litigation for the giant telecoms! Freedom is on the march!
You know how they say we shouldn't be afraid of wiretaps if we're doing nothing wrong? Well by that same token, the big telecoms shouldn't be afraid of legal exposure if they've done nothing wrong.
Keep up the excellent work.
Hope Snuggly the Security Bear is a recurring character.
KGD, Esq.
Lincoln, NE
What an amazingly concise
What an amazingly concise summary of grim reality. Just brilliant.
This one cartoon is woth
This one cartoon is woth more than the Wash Post & all the Sabbath Gasbags combined!
Check out the Rachel Maddow
Check out the Rachel Maddow show on Friday, 2/15 and hear her make a great plug for this cartoon. Please submit it to AlterNet and ThinkProgress as well. Great work Mark!
Jeff
you need to make this
you need to make this available for myspace, facebook etc!
maybe put a commercial or something in the beginning or maybe the end can bring traffic to your sight.
So please make this flash files available for all blogs, myspace and facebook so I (and others) can viral the love from the teddy and other wonderful & thoughtful news from our government and fellow corporations. ;)
Awesome stuff by the way I've been seeing your stuff since 2001! :)
Whew! That's a relief.
Whew! That's a relief. Thanks Snuggly!
Security Bear, You're not
Security Bear,
You're not so secure after all. I guess that means if spies can eavesdrop on us without authorization that gives the general public authorization as well to do it too on them and people who they don't like its not that hard. You're a liar go back to the "sprout" TV network and scare kids with your tactics. You're rated TV-14 including Illegal Activities and Look at the Privacy Act of 1972 and ECPA of 1986.
ooooooooh, now I get
ooooooooh, now I get it
thanks snuggly!!
That was brilliant... so
That was brilliant... so scathing yet so cute
Okay, that was just about
Okay, that was just about the most hilarious, scariest, true things I have seen in a while. Great stuff! I'm sharing it with everyone I know. Thanks!
-Jay
Note to Anonymous--comment
Note to Anonymous--comment which included the question: "are they still putting US citizens in GITMO?" No US citizens have ever been detained at GITMO. The two US citizens so far designated as enemy combatants, Jose Padilla and Yasir Hamdi, were detained at a Navy brig in South Carolina. Neither one is still there. Hamdi cut a deal after his S.Ct. case to relocate to Egypt and renounce his citizenship in exchange for no charges if he kept quiet about his treatment. Padilla was eventually charged with terrorist crimes to be heard in a US Federal court and transferred from DOD custody to DOJ custody. His trial in FLA was over and he was recently sentenced, despite defense claims that his treatment while he was detained as an enemy combatant should have resulted in severe restrictions in gvt evidence.
GITMO is not intended to hold US citizens, but I suppose the way things are going anything is possible. Note that both leading Presidential contenders (Obama for the Dems and McCain for the Republicans) have said they would close GITMO. Hillary's position is unclear. We'll see how things go on that, after 1/20/09.
Wow thanks for explaining
Wow thanks for explaining this nonsense in a such clear and zinging way! Why are we letting our government get away with this nonsense?
-Scott Stevenson
By the way, I'm switching
By the way, I'm switching servers right now and there are some weird things going on. Sorry about the lack of animation beyond the current week. We should have that fixed soon. Arghh, stupid computers!
-Mark
and as of this post,
and as of this post, clicking any of the most commented take me to the same warm fuzzy teddy bear... ah, wonderful computers... [i used to market them... :)]
Check out "The Spies Who
Check out "The Spies Who Love You," and say hello to the NSA while you're at it!
-Mark Fiore
LOL, Mark I guess I'll just
LOL, Mark I guess I'll just have to keep waiting for those guys in the mirrored glasses and black three button suits to arrive and kick in the front door for my traitorous anti-Bush/anti-war statements I've made on your forum and others.
Imagine at one time I had AT&T for phone, cell and internet providers. I guess I'm done for. Should this ever occur, please send funds or some better wearing apparel. I really don't look good in an orange jump suit, but after the rotten winter here in the capitol of the not so golden state, some warmth at GITMO doesn't sound that bad. BTW, are they still putting U.S. citizens in GITMO?
Oops, I almost forgot without Habeas Corpus, I could be in real trouble.
Still around here and there, still battling the rabid, right wing and always glad to see so are you. nomorewars
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